Inane Draft Chatter

DallasSean · Post by **DallasSean** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:58 pm

Feaster rockets up the ranks of General Manager Idiocy. Currently him, Cheveldayoff and Howson on the top tier. I'd put them in some kind of order, but one of them will find out he's only third and do something unbelievable like sign Dennis Wideman to a $26.5 mil-oh wait a second, Feaster already got there.

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:18 pm

Garth Snow's not to be overlooked when talking about worst managers too.

DallasSean · Post by **DallasSean** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:19 pm

Calgary.Flames wrote:Garth Snow's not to be overlooked when talking about worst managers too.

I argued this once already, Snow has been crippled by his situation and there really aren't a lot of bad moves on his record.

NashvilleGM · Post by **NashvilleGM** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:32 pm

Gainey with the Gomez move and the Ribeiro move is not far behind... !!!

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:52 pm

DallasSean wrote:
Calgary.Flames wrote:Garth Snow's not to be overlooked when talking about worst managers too.
I argued this once already, Snow has been crippled by his situation and there really aren't a lot of bad moves on his record.

I know you did.
Draft day's trade proposal though, if true, is off-the-charts-bad.

GoJetsGo · Post by **GoJetsGo** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:53 pm

DallasSean wrote:Feaster rockets up the ranks of General Manager Idiocy. Currently him, Cheveldayoff and Howson on the top tier. I'd put them in some kind of order, but one of them will find out he's only third and do something unbelievable like sign Dennis Wideman to a $26.5 mil-oh wait a second, Feaster already got there.

Why Cheveldayoff? Scheifele over Couturier, Trouba over Forsberg/Grigorenko, and Pavelec contract?

DallasSean · Post by **DallasSean** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:26 pm

GoJetsGo wrote:
DallasSean wrote:Feaster rockets up the ranks of General Manager Idiocy. Currently him, Cheveldayoff and Howson on the top tier. I'd put them in some kind of order, but one of them will find out he's only third and do something unbelievable like sign Dennis Wideman to a $26.5 mil-oh wait a second, Feaster already got there.
Why Cheveldayoff? Scheifele over Couturier, Trouba over Forsberg/Grigorenko, and Pavelec contract?

Scheifele over Couturier was...on the one hand, I liked Scheifele going into the draft, but Couturier was not long removed from being touted as the top pick and you can lump him in with Cam Fowler as "guys who proved the scouts need to stop picking holes so obsessively", which I also believe Mikhail Grigorenko is going to join. The Trouba pick, yes, I was incredibly annoyed when Grigorenko/Forsberg fell past Toronto and passing them up for a second-tier defenseman is not something I would have been happy with as a Jets fan. The Pavelec contract, though...giving a thoroughly mediocre goaltender that much money over that long is just mind-blowing. If the contract were significantly shorter (same salary, one year) or cheaper then it's more acceptable, but if he can't improve, Cheveldayoff's given himself a fairly unpleasant anchor to deal with while also not solving the goaltending problem. Add to that that Evander Kane is rumoured to be wanting out and yeah, Chevy's resume isn't looking so hot.

DallasSean · Post by **DallasSean** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:32 pm

Calgary.Flames wrote:
DallasSean wrote:
Calgary.Flames wrote:Garth Snow's not to be overlooked when talking about worst managers too.
I argued this once already, Snow has been crippled by his situation and there really aren't a lot of bad moves on his record.
I know you did.
Draft day's trade proposal though, if true, is off-the-charts-bad.

Disagree again. Historically, picks beyond the first round have been veeeeeeeery hit and miss and, while I can't give you the stats until I find the draft database, I don't think there'd be a huge gap in GP between #2 and #4+all the other picks. If you're that sold on Ryan Murray as a player with first-pairing ceiling and the longevity to do it for a decade, that's arguably not a great trade but also not nearly as terrible a one as some people are painting it as. The old saw about trades is that the guy who gets the best player back is almost always the one who wins it and Murray is likely that.

But that's just spitballing.

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:10 pm

Garth Snow only looks like a competent GM because he's not Mike Milbury.

DallasSean · Post by **DallasSean** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:19 pm

Parker wrote:Garth Snow only looks like a competent GM because he's not Mike Milbury.

Aah, Mad Mike. You really did set a gold standard for insanity at the helm of a franchise.

Commish Bub(NYR) · Post by **Commish Bub(NYR)** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:24 pm

DallasSean wrote:
Parker wrote:Garth Snow only looks like a competent GM because he's not Mike Milbury.
Aah, Mad Mike. You really did set a gold standard for insanity at the helm of a franchise.

Amen.

As annoying as Pierre Maguire is, one of my favorite hockey announcer moments was hearing Pierre bait Mad Mike by yelling "You had Chara and you traded him! Where's Yashin now?" over and over. I thought Milbury was going to suplex him.

Bruins_GM · Post by **Bruins_GM** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:40 am

Free Agency for the league starts on the 7th, right?

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:47 am

Bub(NYR) wrote:As annoying as Pierre Maguire is, one of my favorite hockey announcer moments was hearing Pierre bait Mad Mike by yelling "You had Chara and you traded him! Where's Yashin now?" over and over. I thought Milbury was going to suplex him.

My favorite was trading away Roberto Luongo so he could draft Rick DiPietro. That worked out well. That trade might actually have been Milbury's swan song: Luongo and Olli Jokinen for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha.

Anyhoo, sorry for making you guys wait.

TorontoGM · Post by **TorontoGM** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:27 am

What idiot hires Mike Milbury to be General Manager? The guy beat a fan with his own shoe, cleary he makes GREAT decisions.

Post by **SharksGM** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:31 am

It's funny because usually Mike Milbury has really dumb opinions but every once in a while he lands on the side of reason on, for example, HNIC hot stove and it's really weird to see people even stupider than Mike Milbury.

On the subject of our draft, we're technically on an 8 hour limit now. But it occurs to me this is somewhat unfair because if someone picks before you at, say, midnight, and you sleep in until 9 AM, you'll be over the limit. And between Tommy working late and my jet-lagged ass waking up early every goddamn morning there's usually someone around to notice. Also there's a wider range of GM time zones than ever before. Lists could solve this problem but no matter how many people submit a list eventually you'll get to someone who didn't.

So I guess the solution is to use discretion on overnight picks so there's some leeway except for Mike who wakes up in the afternoon PST.

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:33 pm

Looking for a pick ... there's still someone I like out there.
Hit me.

TorontoGM · Post by **TorontoGM** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:01 pm

Who do I PM about autoing my remaining picks?

TorontoGM · Post by **TorontoGM** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:01 pm

Who do I PM about autoing my remaining picks?

TorontoGM · Post by **TorontoGM** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:01 pm

Who do I PM about autoing my remaining picks?

BSBullies · Post by **BSBullies** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:08 pm

You can message the 3 Committee members + Dan who's helping out while Adam is away.

TorontoGM · Post by **TorontoGM** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:26 pm

Thanks.

No idea how that got posted three times...

DallasSean · Post by **DallasSean** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:11 pm

Lists could solve this problem but no matter how many people submit a list eventually you'll get to someone who didn't.

Then that person gets a crappy autopick. It doesn't take long to figure out a list or trade away your picks for existing prospects because you've not scouted the draft or even just to ask that one of the league runners picks in their best interests, and I think it's inconsiderate that people aren't even bothering to do the bare minimum.

Commish Bub(NYR) · Post by **Commish Bub(NYR)** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:13 pm

Yeah, these latter rounds always grind to a near halt because of that. Time limit should probably be 30 minutes or so.

Post by **SharksGM** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:14 pm

Well, people are getting crappy autopicks. And if they make no attempt to communicate that they're not making their pick despite being online and aware they're up, they'll get a crappy autopicked goalie which should be even more useless.

There's not a whole lot left on the board right now but at the current rate the draft will finish in August so let's try not to have four time expired picks in a row again eh?

For the record, James said he'd be back around now so he'll get his 8 hours for the next pick.

Commish Bub(NYR) · Post by **Commish Bub(NYR)** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:26 pm

SharksGM wrote:For the record, James said he'd be back around now so he'll get his 8 hours for the next pick.

Sweet.

Oilers_GM · Post by **Oilers_GM** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:44 am

If I can show up from camp on my iPad everyone should be able to get a list in.

Post by **SharksGM** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:20 am

From the draft thread...

SabresGM wrote:Shit, sorry guys, was on the road all day and figured since no PM I was good to go. Apologies for the wait.

Nobody's going to remind you that your pick is up. If there are 3 or 4 picks to go before you and you actually have a list, send it in, especially now that more people are sending requests to be auto'd - your turn could come up sooner than you think.

GM Office Q · Post by **GM Office Q** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:52 am

Sorry my time expired. I'm not usually up at 5 AM.

CapsGM · Post by **CapsGM** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:44 pm

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:22 pm

I LOL'ed.

Then again, I'm pretty high right now.

Penguin · Post by **Penguin** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:23 am

I'm fucking high as a kite right now Parkeydoodle!

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:29 am

Penguin wrote:I'm fucking high as a kite right now Parkeydoodle!

Sweet! Gonna go do a few depth charges right now.

GoJetsGo · Post by **GoJetsGo** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:35 am

Parker wrote:I LOL'ed.

Then again, I'm pretty high right now.

Doan for Gilmour! Deal? Deal.

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:11 pm

Heh heh. If this was 1993, sure!

I'm a little confused about Toronto's pick at 118: they drafted Erik Thorell, who appears in my game file as a player drafted in 2010 by Minnesota.

Post by **SharksGM** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:42 pm

Parker wrote:Heh heh. If this was 1993, sure!

I'm a little confused about Toronto's pick at 118: they drafted Erik Thorell, who appears in my game file as a player drafted in 2010 by Minnesota.

Damn reentries. That never happened.

DallasSean · Post by **DallasSean** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:31 pm

Ottawa takes triple the time a fifth-round pick is allotted and even though he was given a presumably crap autopick, is then allowed to take the player he wanted anyway. What the hell is the point of putting a time limit if it's then just ignored?

BSBullies · Post by **BSBullies** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:22 pm

Simmer down boss, it's to try and keep things moving at a reasonable pace. We gave Ottawa a break this time, will it happen again? Probably not. Lets try to avoid a fuss over 5th round picks.

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:34 pm

DallasSean wrote:Ottawa takes triple the time a fifth-round pick is allotted and even though he was given a presumably crap autopick, is then allowed to take the player he wanted anyway. What the hell is the point of putting a time limit if it's then just ignored?

I wasn't around, so I can't speak for anybody else, but if no one saw, the pick can't really be made for Ottawa. If the two remaining Committee members or Dan were around, it's a different story, but I can't say that for sure.

Either way, yes, the draft is moving very slow and I'm quite irritated about it. I don't make the draft class for myself. I make it for all of you. I could just as easily leave the shitty EHM-generated one if there are going to be so many people taking the entire time or more just to get auto-picked multiple times.

Problem is that I can't be harsher about adhering to time limits or sending lists because we don't have applicants beating down the door and have a hard enough time filling the occasional open teams that we get. I'd love to fire anyone who exceeds the time limit more than once in one draft but I can't do that.

We're in several time zones, on three different continents, and there are always trade negotiations about picks. I can't help that.

We'll look to improve the draft for next year.

Also, at some point, some GMs need to start taking some personal responsibility. It's not my or the Committee's job to hold their hands through everything, let them know when they're on the clock or to continue bugging them to send lists. We're all adults here. If you want to be in this league, you have responsibilities and you should see that they are taken care of.

GoJetsGo · Post by **GoJetsGo** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:42 pm

Ottawa had made picks in rounds two and three on his own. Seemed to be around enough to be aware his selection was upcoming and I also sent a PM. He's also multiple hours ahead in terms of time zone, so I probably gave too much leeway. Should be tighter on the time limits, but if that's the case we should probably auto these last three rounds for the majority.

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:53 pm

Sorry I took so long with my pick, guys. I was out of town at a car show and forgot to check my tablet for a couple hours. Shoulda sent a list.

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:54 pm

Parker wrote:Sorry I took so long with my pick, guys. I was out of town at a car show and forgot to check my tablet for a couple hours. Shoulda sent a list.

Yeah, you son of a bitch. Everything is always your fault!

A car show? You buying or was it a collector kind of thing?

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:11 pm

Commissioner (CBJ) wrote:A car show? You buying or was it a collector kind of thing?

A collector thing, sort of. Edmonton's Z Car Club was having their annual show & shine so I decided to tag along with a few other Z-car owners from Calgary. There were about two dozen cars there from 240Z's from the 1970's to twin-turbo 1990's 300ZX's to brand new 370Z's. Here's what I brought with me:

That's Zoey, my 1987 Nissan 300ZX Turbo.

Post by **SharksGM** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:09 am

You... named your car?

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:12 am

SharksGM wrote:You... named your car?

Yeah. If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand.

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:15 am

Parker wrote:
SharksGM wrote:You... named your car?
Yeah. If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand.

My '99 Ford Ranger was named Layla.

I even name rental cars, though I can't remember what the last one was named.

TorontoGM · Post by **TorontoGM** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:40 pm

I don't understand the idea of humanizing a vehicle but on the other hand, I do give names to my drug paraphernalia.

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:50 pm

TorontoGM wrote:I don't understand the idea of humanizing a vehicle but on the other hand, I do give names to my drug paraphernalia.

I hope you're more creative than just calling everything Cheech or Chong.

TorontoGM · Post by **TorontoGM** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:06 am

Commissioner (CBJ) wrote:
TorontoGM wrote:I don't understand the idea of humanizing a vehicle but on the other hand, I do give names to my drug paraphernalia.
I hope you're more creative than just calling everything Cheech or Chong.

Hahaha, I wasn't born in the 70s.

EDIT:

Also +1 to Tim for his last draft selection.

Jungle Cats · Post by **Jungle Cats** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:40 am

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Falcon George: His hat!

DallasSean · Post by **DallasSean** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:33 am

What the actual fuck happened in that post.