Payrolls 2014-2015

[Singin the BLUES]

You can not say....hmmm i will let go player X if i get player Y but if i dont i will cover my ass all in a days work....it dont work that way Vik and you know that...and yes it is just EHM and it is all make believe......but we are all living in this make belive world and we all have to live by these make believe rules. and if we dot, we get penalized.....just like TB should.....am i not right? over the cap.....penalty...kinda like CHI got....under the cap.....for sure......over player limit....fuckin right....under player limit...sure why not.....like i keep on saying...level playin field for all....thats alll i ask...and this isnt it..ADMIN or not

[Singin the BLUES]

May I propose solutions/ideas:

I think we should not be allowed any moves (trades/signings) that put a team over the cap/roster limit. Because it is where teams break rules after some moves. So, If a team wants to sign a guy, he needs to be at 49 contracts or lower. If a team wants to acquire 4 guys against 2 put that puts him over the limit, he needs to release 2 guys before the trade, not after. If a team wants to trade players, the players he receives need to fit the cap. If a team would exceed the cap with a trade, but would fit the cap with a demotion once the deal is entered, this should be mentionned as soon as the deal is posted.

As for injuries that bring call-ups that put teams over the cap: If we want to play with a firm cap, I think the only solution is that If an injury brings you over the cap ( and you havent kept room for that ) you have either your best player out or something... Because these over the cap issues will happen because of injuries (although they shouldnt) and you should not be allowed an extra player that make you bust the cap.

I was penalized because a move I made earlier this season put me over the cap. Should have planned my things better. Lesson learned.

Isn't that how the NHL CBA works?

Hmmm another GM that knows WTF they are talking about.....is there any other smart Gms here?

[Vik (Habs)]

You can not say....hmmm i will let go player X if i get player Y but if i dont i will cover my ass all in a days work....it dont work that way Vik and you know that...

Why not? If this was all real, you could agree to sign a player before releasing someone else, then release the other guy before putting pen to paper. But it ain't real so we deal with the timing issues as best we can.

and yes it is just EHM and it is all make believe......but we are all living in this make belive world and we all have to live by these make believe rules. and if we dot, we get penalized.....just like TB should.....am i not right?

I'm not clear on what is it you want him penalized for.

over the cap.....penalty...kinda like CHI got....under the cap.....for sure......over player limit....fuckin right....under player limit...sure why not.....like i keep on saying...level playin field for all....thats alll i ask...and this isnt it..ADMIN or not

How is it not a level playing field?

[Singin the BLUES]

You can not say....hmmm i will let go player X if i get player Y but if i dont i will cover my ass all in a days work....it dont work that way Vik and you know that...

Why not? If this was all real, you could agree to sign a player before releasing someone else, then release the other guy before putting pen to paper. But it ain't real so we deal with the timing issues as best we can.

and yes it is just EHM and it is all make believe......but we are all living in this make belive world and we all have to live by these make believe rules. and if we dot, we get penalized.....just like TB should.....am i not right?

I'm not clear on what is it you want him penalized for.

over the cap.....penalty...kinda like CHI got....under the cap.....for sure......over player limit....fuckin right....under player limit...sure why not.....like i keep on saying...level playin field for all....thats alll i ask...and this isnt it..ADMIN or not

How is it not a level playing field?

i explained myself pretty well i think.....you wouldnt hear the Flyers say....well....we will write off Vinnys cap if Radulov agrees to our contract within a few hours, but Vinny can still play up until the 2nd or 3rd period when Radulov says yes ok to the contract....or just after the gane....or evenb before the game( whichever the simmer enters first) that wont happen at all......dont even say it will..........and thats all i have to say toyour comments.,

[Vik (Habs)]

i explained myself pretty well i think.....

You keep saying you want penalties but I'm not clear if you want them for the Giroux trade or the UFA signings and still don't see why there should be for either. You also keep saying you want a level playing field but I still don't see what isn't level about it.

you wouldnt hear the Flyers say....well....we will write off Vinnys cap if Radulov agrees to our contract within a few hours, but Vinny can still play up until the 2nd or 3rd period when Radulov says yes ok to the contract....or just after the gane....or evenb before the game( whichever the simmer enters first) that wont happen at all......dont even say it will..........and thats all i have to say toyour comments.,

Well your specific example doesn't really make sense for the NHL (it'd only make sense for Philly to drop Vinny in the offseason) but, ignoring that, they wouldn't say that's what they did but why wouldn't they do it like that? If you can hedge your bets, why wouldn't you?

[Singin the BLUES]

How the fuck can someone say....welllif i can get player A off of UFA ...THEN i will drop player B........where the fuck is that fair....i know Giroux trade is AFTER the sim........so.....where AFTER the sim is the ....welll i will drop player a, b c ,and d as long as UFA 1 , 2 3 and 4 will take my offer??........As far as i know there is now being over the limit at alll in NHL...and isnt that what this league is trying to duplicate?....thats what i see they are trying to do and with this move....it isnt working......again that is like trying to say....well....vVinny and Umberger and Laughton are gone....but ONLY if ......player A and player B and player C are willing to sign with us and no one else.......and the team is STILLL over the limit....for what? a day? 2? maybe 3? ....hmmm wouldnt go over very well with Bettman would it?

[Vik (Habs)]

How the fuck can someone say....welllif i can get player A off of UFA ...THEN i will drop player B........where the fuck is that fair....

What's wrong with it? How is it unfair?

i know Giroux trade is AFTER the sim........so.....where AFTER the sim is the ....welll i will drop player a, b c ,and d as long as UFA 1 , 2 3 and 4 will take my offer??........

I'm not clear on what you're saying here.

As far as i know there is now being over the limit at alll in NHL...and isnt that what this league is trying to duplicate?....

The NHL doesn't have free releases either. There are plenty of differences to account for the fact that this is an EHM league and not real life.

thats what i see they are trying to do and with this move....it isnt working......again that is like trying to say....well....vVinny and Umberger and Laughton are gone....but ONLY if ......player A and player B and player C are willing to sign with us and no one else.......and the team is STILLL over the limit....for what? a day? 2? maybe 3? ....hmmm wouldnt go over very well with Bettman would it?

I feel like I've already addressed how this could work in real life (if that's what you're worried about) and you haven't suggested any reason why it couldn't. And Justin hasn't even been over for 1 day yet so why all the hubbub?

Also kind of curious, why Laughton?

[Singin the BLUES]

oh fuck i give up period.........is their going to be a penalty or not? .....it seems like the days of the Blues having a full time Gm are numbered now.....so just give me a damn answer

[MartyFromOTTAWA]

oh fuck i give up period.........is their going to be a penalty or not? .....it seems like the days of the Blues having a full time Gm are numbered now.....so just give me a damn answer

The penalty could be keeping Bishop as his starter for ever?

[Commish Bub(NYR)]

1. Was TB over/under the roster limit/salary cap for its game last night? No

2. Has TB released players to accommodate his new signings? Yes

3. Has EVERY trade this season been done AFTER that day's sim, meaning that sometimes a team is using a player who's been traded on the forums but not yet in the game? Yes

You say "level playing field," but no rules were broken.

If anything, yes, we could enforce having GMs add a proviso with every signing or trade that puts them over/under the roster limit: "If this guy signs, then release X" or something like that. Quite often, that is what happens. But if a GM is over/under the limit AFTER his game, but BEFORE his next game, how is that a problem? You say "that wouldn't fly in the real NHL." A lot of shit that happens in this and every other EHM wouldn't fly in the NHL...but so what? This is a hobby, supposedly a fun game, and we're all trying to do the best we can.

If you think someone is gaming the system and breaking rules to their advantage, then say it. If I had proof someone was doing that, they'd be out. If you think things are biased against you, or anyone else here, well....you're wrong.

[BlackHawk Down (Seb)]

Good resume Bub !

[SharksGM]

For fuck's sake. The real NHL doesn't have free releases, and it also doesn't have a "Free Agent" account that all free agent offers are sent to. If something like this had happened in Real Life (TM) it would have gone:

1. GM receives signed contracts from players
2. GM faxes over releases for AHLers
3. GM faxes over contracts for new players

Or maybe 2. would have happened first, after a verbal agreement for 1. Or maybe all of those guys would have been signed to AHL-only contracts (which we don't have) and none of that would have had to happen at all - it would have been dealt with by the AHL affiliate's GM (which we also don't have). Who gives a fuck?

[Calgary.Flames]

I bet someone was hungover this morning..

[Josh-EDM]

How the fuck can someone say....welllif i can get player A off of UFA ...THEN i will drop player B........where the fuck is that fair....i know Giroux trade is AFTER the sim........so.....where AFTER the sim is the ....welll i will drop player a, b c ,and d as long as UFA 1 , 2 3 and 4 will take my offer??

This happens all the time, but teams don't state it because information is power. They have no reason to discuss moves publicly until they are done. In fact, misleading the public can often be in their interests.

The best example I can 75% attest to the truth of to give an example of this is the Stars trying to dump Trevor Daley and Erik Cole the last two years. They aren't going to let anyone know they're doing that, but you can be damn sure that at different points they knew what their next move was.

I'd also cite the Devils. This is how they operated with Parise, Gionta, and Zajac IIRC. They knew all were coming back but waited to sign them during RFA periods due to cap issues.

Just my .02. It happens.

[Jets GM]

I hope this thread quiets down, but I wanted to make one point. I offered to input my signings after Bub posted the sim last night; he does so much already, I want to make his job as easy as possible. He initially declined and then accepted later that night.

I did not, would never and have never modified the game-file to gain an advantage. It would defeat the purpose of competing against you fine gents'.

[Calgary.Flames]

ANA: $62317857 with 24 players
BOS: $61827479 with 23 players
BUF: $62682500 with 22 players
CAR: $59212500 with 22 players
CBJ: $63891666 with 22 players
CGY: $63070267 with 24 players
CHI: $63401000 with 25 players
COL: $55420375 with 23 players
DAL: $60692082 with 22 players
DET: $62572500 with 22 players
EDM: $61837916 with 22 players
FLA: $63475000 with 22 players
LA: $63187500 with 22 players
MIN: $63142184 with 22 players
MTL: $61368458 with 23 players
NAS: $62535833 with 23 players
NJ: $61920834 with 23 players
NYI: $61994271 with 22 players
NYR: $63615713 with 23 players
OTT: $60707250 with 23 players
PHI: $58207500 with 22 players
PHX: $63686250 with 23 players
PIT: $63068750 with 23 players
SJ: $63741734 with 22 players
STL: $63676545 with 22 players
TB: $62074170 with 22 players
TOR: $63799835 with 23 players
VAN: $56020000 with 23 players
WPG: $61347500 with 24 players
WSH: $56695248 with 24 players

[Penguin]

Everyone is right up against the cap, not much trading can be done. The 22man roster minimum bugs me, am I the only one? I wish we could go back to 20.

[Jets GM]

Everyone is right up against the cap, not much trading can be done. The 22man roster minimum bugs me, am I the only one? I wish we could go back to 20.

I have the best C and D in the game and have 2 million dollars in cap space.

[SharksGM]

Everyone is right up against the cap, not much trading can be done. The 22man roster minimum bugs me, am I the only one? I wish we could go back to 20.

No, if we went back to 20 someone would inevitably find themselves in a situation where they don't have cap space to recall anyone for a short term injury/suspension without waiving at least one roster player.

And realistically, almost all NHL teams carry 21-22 players on their roster, because often someone gets injured on game day and there isn't enough time to fly over a replacement from the AHL affiliate. We're pretty lax about injuries and don't have as many as in the NHL.

[Penguin]

83 and 84 hitting.

[Penguin]

Everyone is right up against the cap, not much trading can be done. The 22man roster minimum bugs me, am I the only one? I wish we could go back to 20.

No, if we went back to 20 someone would inevitably find themselves in a situation where they don't have cap space to recall anyone for a short term injury/suspension without waiving at least one roster player.

And realistically, almost all NHL teams carry 21-22 players on their roster, because often someone gets injured on game day and there isn't enough time to fly over a replacement from the AHL affiliate.

Good answer. Just a pain in the ass to have at least 1.2M sitting on the bench.

[Bruins_GM]

I'm fine with a 23 man roster as we have it now.

[Calgary.Flames]

ANA: $62317857 with 24 players
BOS: $61827479 with 23 players
BUF: $62682500 with 22 players
CAR: $59212500 with 22 players
CBJ: $63891666 with 22 players
CGY: $63769017 with 23 players
CHI: $63401000 with 25 players
COL: $57120375 with 24 players
DAL: $60692082 with 22 players
DET: $62572500 with 22 players
EDM: $61837916 with 22 players
FLA: $63475000 with 22 players
LA: $63187500 with 22 players
MIN: $63142184 with 22 players
MTL: $63405958 with 23 players
NAS: $62535833 with 23 players
NJ: $61920834 with 23 players
NYI: $61994271 with 22 players
NYR: $63615713 with 23 players
OTT: $60707250 with 23 players
PHI: $56370000 with 22 players
PHX: $63086250 with 22 players
PIT: $62668750 with 23 players
SJ: $63741734 with 22 players
STL: $63676545 with 22 players
TB: $62074170 with 22 players
TOR: $63399835 with 22 players
VAN: $56020000 with 23 players
WPG: $61347500 with 24 players
WSH: $56695248 with 24 players

[Calgary.Flames]

Last update before pro-ration. Next time, deals are "50-50" pro-rated.

ANA: $62317857 with 24 players
BOS: $61827479 with 23 players
BUF: $60032500 with 23 players
CAR: $59212500 with 22 players
CBJ: $63891666 with 22 players
CGY: $60574017 with 22 players
CHI: $59676000 with 23 players
COL: $62520375 with 23 players
DAL: $61642082 with 22 players
DET: $62572500 with 22 players
EDM: $63650416 with 23 players
FLA: $63475000 with 22 players
LA: $62767500 with 22 players
MIN: $63142184 with 22 players
MTL: $63792709 with 24 players
NAS: $63585833 with 23 players
NJ: $49505834 with 24 players
NYI: $62556771 with 22 players
NYR: $63615713 with 23 players
OTT: $61606250 with 23 players
PHI: $56370000 with 22 players
PHX: $63086250 with 22 players
PIT: $62668750 with 23 players
SJ: $63741734 with 22 players
STL: $63926545 with 22 players
TB: $58734170 with 21 players
TOR: $58649835 with 23 players
VAN: $57452500 with 23 players
WPG: $60097500 with 23 players
WSH: $56695248 with 24 players

[Calgary.Flames]

Including the first pro-rated deals.

ANA: $61311607 with 23 players
BOS: $61091765 with 23 players
BUF: $60032500 with 23 players
CAR: $59212500 with 22 players
CBJ: $63891666 with 22 players
CGY: $61359732 with 22 players
CHI: $59676000 with 23 players
COL: $61970375 with 22 players
DAL: $63017082 with 22 players
DET: $62572500 with 22 players
EDM: $63650416 with 23 players
FLA: $63475000 with 22 players
LA: $62767500 with 22 players
MIN: $64042184 with 23 players
MTL: $63792709 with 24 players
NAS: $63585833 with 23 players
NJ: $49505834 with 24 players
NYI: $62556771 with 22 players
NYR: $63615713 with 23 players
OTT: $61606250 with 23 players
PHI: $56157500 with 22 players
PHX: $63086250 with 22 players
PIT: $60968750 with 22 players
SJ: $63741734 with 22 players
STL: $63926545 with 22 players
TB: $62542920 with 23 players
TOR: $59059835 with 24 players
VAN: $57452500 with 23 players
WPG: $60097500 with 23 players
WSH: $56695248 with 24 players

[Calgary.Flames]

If you have a different number than mine, PM me and we'll figure it out.

ANA: $61311607 with 23 players
BOS: $61091765 with 23 players
BUF: $60032500 with 23 players
CAR: $55812500 with 22 players
CBJ: $63671666 with 23 players
CGY: $61809732 with 23 players
CHI: $61176000 with 23 players
COL: $63270375 with 23 players
DAL: $63777082 with 22 players
DET: $61222500 with 23 players
EDM: $63650416 with 23 players
FLA: $63475000 with 22 players
LA: $62912500 with 22 players
MIN: $63642184 with 22 players
MTL: $63792709 with 24 players
NAS: $63585833 with 23 players
NJ: $49505834 with 24 players
NYI: $62556771 with 22 players
NYR: $63615713 with 23 players
OTT: $61606250 with 22 players
PHI: $56407500 with 22 players
PHX: $63086250 with 22 players
PIT: $62718750 with 22 players
SJ: $63741734 with 22 players
STL: $63689795 with 22 players
TB: $63617918 with 23 players
TOR: $57559835 with 24 players
VAN: $57452500 with 23 players
WPG: $62047500 with 24 players
WSH: $56695248 with 24 players

[Calgary.Flames]

As of now. Pending deals not included.

ANA: $59586607 with 23 players
BOS: $61091765 with 23 players
BUF: $60032500 with 23 players
CAR: $56812500 with 23 players
CBJ: $63671666 with 23 players
CGY: $60822857 with 22 players
CHI: $63143500 with 23 players
COL: $61000375 with 23 players
DAL: $60862082 with 22 players
DET: $62072500 with 24 players
EDM: $57750416 with 24 players
FLA: $63475000 with 22 players
LA: $63657500 with 22 players
MIN: $63142184 with 23 players
MTL: $63880834 with 25 players
NAS: $62360833 with 23 players
NJ: $58470834 with 24 players
NYI: $62556771 with 22 players
NYR: $63371963 with 23 players
OTT: $60337500 with 23 players
PHI: $54407500 with 22 players
PHX: $63086250 with 22 players
PIT: $61956250 with 24 players
SJ: $63741734 with 22 players
STL: $63689795 with 22 players
TB: $63017918 with 22 players
TOR: $57943585 with 23 players
VAN: $60852500 with 23 players
WPG: $62047500 with 24 players
WSH: $55795248 with 25 players

[Calgary.Flames]

Allstar break numbers:

ANA: $61486607 with 23 players
BOS: $61091765 with 23 players
BUF: $60032500 with 23 players
CAR: $56812500 with 23 players
CBJ: $63671666 with 23 players
CGY: $60822857 with 22 players
CHI: $63143500 with 23 players
COL: $63587875 with 23 players
DAL: $62062082 with 22 players
DET: $60722500 with 23 players
EDM: $57750416 with 24 players
FLA: $63475000 with 22 players
LA: $63657500 with 22 players
MIN: $63142184 with 23 players
MTL: $63130833 with 24 players
NAS: $62323333 with 23 players
NJ: $58470834 with 24 players
NYI: $62556771 with 22 players
NYR: $60971963 with 23 players
OTT: $58737500 with 24 players
PHI: $53995000 with 23 players
PHX: $63086250 with 22 players
PIT: $61431250 with 23 players
SJ: $63741734 with 22 players
STL: $63689795 with 22 players
TB: $62367918 with 22 players
TOR: $63293585 with 23 players
VAN: $57840000 with 23 players
WPG: $62047500 with 24 players
WSH: $55795248 with 25 players

[Calgary.Flames]

New numbers. If it doesn't match your own, PM me.

ANA: $58136607 with 24 players
BOS: $62666765 with 23 players
BUF: $63282500 with 23 players
CAR: $60212500 with 23 players
CBJ: $63691666 with 22 players
CGY: $58572857 with 23 players
CHI: $63143500 with 23 players
COL: $61762875 with 23 players
DAL: $63249582 with 22 players
DET: $63622500 with 23 players
EDM: $55250416 with 24 players
FLA: $63475000 with 22 players
LA: $63657500 with 22 players
MIN: $63142184 with 22 players
MTL: $63945625 with 25 players
NAS: $64135833 with 23 players
NJ: $55845834 with 24 players
NYI: $63544271 with 22 players
NYR: $62121963 with 23 players
OTT: $60796250 with 25 players
PHI: $55995000 with 23 players
PHX: $60786250 with 24 players
PIT: $62831250 with 24 players
SJ: $63992733 with 22 players
STL: $63689795 with 22 players
TB: $62367918 with 22 players
TOR: $63293585 with 23 players
VAN: $60852500 with 23 players
WPG: $58097500 with 24 players
WSH: $55557748 with 24 players

[Calgary.Flames]

Here, folks.

ANA: $58136607 with 24 players
BOS: $62160515 with 23 players
BUF: $61282500 with 23 players
CAR: $60212500 with 23 players
CBJ: $63531666 with 22 players
CGY: $58572857 with 23 players
CHI: $61871250 with 24 players
COL: $60600375 with 22 players
DAL: $62490832 with 22 players
DET: $63622500 with 23 players
EDM: $57250416 with 25 players
FLA: $63475000 with 22 players
LA: $63657500 with 22 players
MIN: $63142184 with 22 players
MTL: $63854583 with 23 players
NAS: $62985833 with 23 players
NJ: $55845834 with 24 players
NYI: $63544271 with 22 players
NYR: $62121963 with 23 players
OTT: $61606250 with 23 players
PHI: $56857500 with 23 players
PHX: $60786250 with 24 players
PIT: $62665000 with 22 players
SJ: $63891733 with 22 players
STL: $63689795 with 22 players
TB: $63047918 with 22 players
TOR: $63593585 with 23 players
VAN: $60002500 with 22 players
WPG: $61797500 with 24 players
WSH: $55557748 with 24 players

[Nero Avalanche]

when can we expect an update?

[IslandersGM]

i did it on my own - made a spreadsheet and i can see my contracts and salary for a few years to come. This should only confirm and find any problems if there are differences.

[SharksGM]

when can we expect an update?

Do you need an update? Just add your salaries plus penalties.

[Calgary.Flames]

Of course we'll monitor salaries when the season starts but for now, and that's a good habit too, you must learn to fly from your own wings.