Career-ending injuries?

[Virtual Jarmo]

I'm going to sleep on my decision and post it sometime during the day on Monday.

[Virtual Jarmo]

After much personal deliberation and reading the posts from this thread, I have decided to uphold the Vinny Lecavalier (and Chris Thorburn) career-ending injury and any subsequent CEIs that may occur in EHEC.

I realize that on some level, the notion of two career-ending injuries in one season is somewhat unrealistic. That being said, there are plenty of real-life incidents that EHM cannot possibly account for. Car accidents, disease, non-hockey related health problems, and several other scenarios that EHM could not possibly produce. I know that it may seem like a stretch to use that as a basis for an on-ice incident. But, for an on-ice incident, take the Trent McCleary case from 2000. McCleary blocked a shot in the throat, had to have an emergency tracheotomy, and barely lived. But, the injury left his windpipe 15% smaller and he was forced to retire as a result. He suffered a collapsed lung as well.

I have no way of knowing what the exact injury is to Lecavalier. My in-game response to a chest injury would be to what? Drop his endurance in to the 30s? Drop some other random attributes? If I downgrade Lecavalier's attributes because of an injury, at what point does he become useless to Justin, especially at his high salary? Further, at what point do I justify returning those attributes to their previous level, or even a more average level?

For those who wanted me to let the injury play out and then make a decision from there, what is the basis for my decision? A random number generator? How is that any different from what EHM does to produce the injury in the first place?

The software is limited, flawed, but yet provides us all with the opportunity to be here in this league today. What Parker said was entirely correct. Despite its flaws, this is our simulation engine. We can do what we can to fix the game's finances, to use the shootouts program to not have games end in ties. I can manipulate the schedule, manipulate the farm team affiliates, and manipulate the draft but, at some level, we have to let the game do its thing other than just simulation.

Overall, though, what it boils down to is that there are too many questions to answer by amending the injury to a long-term one. If I lessen his attributes, why don't I lessen all long-term injured players' attributes? Wouldn't Drew Doughty and his 6M injury affect him? How about Brendan Morrow's indefinite injury? To simply edit a player solely on the basis that his injury forced his retirement while a real-life knee 6+ month knee injury may eventually force the player's retirement within a year or two seems like a double standard.

There's a point where too much becomes too much. For me, this is that point. We're opening up all kinds of new questions and issues by taking this injury and making it something more than it is.

Justin, I apologize that the bad luck has fallen on you. I felt awful when it happened during my sim and I feel awful being the one who has to break the tie and make the final decision. But, the way you have handled it has been incredible and I commend you for it. It's very impressive and I hope it continues in light of my ruling. Lecavalier will be placed in your staff and you can put him wherever you wish. I will edit somebody out and make his coaching attributes based on the type of player he was and the fact that he was a captain at a young age.

Thanks for all the responses to this thread and for keeping it civil. I appreciate the discussion and the boost in activity. I wish it were as a result of different circumstances, but it is what it is.

[Jets GM]

They say bad things come in 3's. This, my papa dieing somewhat recently and the US Department of Justice indicting top executives, bank execs from major poker sites along with seizing there .com's last Friday. Pretty crazy stuff, I would assume that's going to change the landscape of online poker for next 2-5 years while its tied up in court. OH CANADA! Knock on wood we don't go the US route in terms of regulation/taxation etc. /hijack

I'm 100% cool with Adam's vote and really appreciate you putting him back in-game. 99 motivating players obv. Thanks for the kinds words from everyone Will Vinny be able to join the coaching staff for the Cup run or is he still in the in-game hospital hooked up to a respirator?

[Virtual Jarmo]

They say bad things come in 3's. This, my papa dieing somewhat recently and the US Department of Justice indicting top executives, bank execs from major poker sites along with seizing there .com's last Friday. Pretty crazy stuff, I would assume that's going to change the landscape of online poker for next 2-5 years while its tied up in court. OH CANADA! Knock on wood we don't go the US route in terms of regulation/taxation etc. /hijack

Can't say that I'd put my grandpa dying alongside a player from my fantasy simulation hockey team getting a career-ending injury. But, sorry to kick you while you're down.

BTW, I got that $5 you sent me up to $10.78, can't take it out cause it's not $25. I'll ship it back to you.

I'm 100% cool with Adam's vote and really appreciate you putting him back in-game. 99 motivating players obv. Thanks for the kinds words from everyone Will Vinny be able to join the coaching staff for the Cup run or is he still in the in-game hospital hooked up to a respirator?

As long as none of the East playoff teams object. I don't know what kind of competitive advantage he'd give as an assistant at this point, but I'd prefer to run it past them before I do that for you.

[Jets GM]

ofc I wasn't the comparing the two in terms of magnitude/impact on my life, although I have a feeling the experience of my gpa dying made it much easier to quickly put in perspective what happened re: Vinny. I think having him behind the bench would improve my teams performance level, but it's so small I can't see it affecting a 7 game series. It just be nice if TB do win the Stanley Cup this year, he'll have it in his coaching profile. Since he didn't play one playoff game, it won't be (if TB does win) iirc in his player one. Maybe wait till the 1st round is complete and then if TB advance any 2nd round team (WC or EC) could object, I'd have np and understand if ppl do.

Keep the $, I don't play on Stars nemore. I don't even think you'd have access to your account/funds right now. 2p2 is calling it "Black Friday", I'm actually hoping its a good thing. Force the big sites to advertise and develop programming in new areas/countries across the globe, which in turn will bring new players online wanting to learn how to play. Or it's the start of the end of days....one of the two

[TorontoGM]

^I need more fish on Fulltilt.com, so I can turn this month around.

[Femur]

...There's a point where too much becomes too much. For me, this is that point...

FINALLY! we found the tipping point! one exists. amazing.

Justin, sorry about Vinny, i really am, but to steal a line from Patrick Roy, i am sure you can't hear me because of those Stanley Cup rings in your ears. good luck the rest of the way.

back to the commish: you know i have been lecturing you on putting too much work into this for sometime; i wonder if my chiding had some influence on you? no? fine, but i hope you continue to roll with this wave. your hard work into making the most realistic, well anything, is greatly appreciated, BUT i think you need to keep enjoyment (yours and ours) in mind in your never ending pursuit of realism. when it takes your 745 man-hours of work to override a simple rule that was only put in there for player ease in the first place, well, you should at least consider whether or not a more realistic scenario is going to add to anyone's enjoyment of the game.

off my soapbox now; continue your flogging of my hawks...

[Virtual Jarmo]

back to the commish: you know i have been lecturing you on putting too much work into this for sometime; i wonder if my chiding had some influence on you? no? fine, but i hope you continue to roll with this wave. your hard work into making the most realistic, well anything, is greatly appreciated, BUT i think you need to keep enjoyment (yours and ours) in mind in your never ending pursuit of realism. when it takes your 745 man-hours of work to override a simple rule that was only put in there for player ease in the first place, well, you should at least consider whether or not a more realistic scenario is going to add to anyone's enjoyment of the game.

What rules have taken the enjoyment out of the game? If you're talking about the financial policy, all I need is a basic understanding from the GMs. It takes me all of a minute to a minute and a half to calculate the contract for them if they don't know how. I double check all of them anyway.

Does the Rulebook read heavy for a fantasy hockey league? Probably. But, if you're going to go for the experience, why not make it as close to real as possible? I certainly prefer this over some league simming a week in EHM each time they sim for 3 sims a week. And I'm the one who's doing all the work.

[Femur]

kinda the response i expected. here is a more blunt, less wordy response: you're insane.

go Hawks. shock the world, and give the Blue Jackets the shocker!!!

[Virtual Jarmo]

kinda the response i expected. here is a more blunt, less wordy response: you're insane.

This I already know. I just wanted to know if you had a problem with any of the rules. We could discuss over a round of golf or a few beers.

[Femur]

i got no problems; like always, i am just trying to help. beer and golf sound great, though.

[Virtual Jarmo]

i got no problems

Bullshit. You got...

[Penguin]

99 problems but a bitch aint one!

Anyone listen to some French Montana? Mac Miller? I need some new beaaats.

[Virtual Jarmo]

I need some new beaaats.

Really? I had you pegged as a Yanni/Kenny G kind of guy.

[Femur]

i got no problems

Bullshit. You got...

that is fo shizzle

[Femur]

99 problems but a bitch aint one!

Anyone listen to some French Montana? Mac Miller? I need some new beaaats.

do you mean Mitch Miller? and the Gang, of course

[Femur]

oh forgot; you wanted a suggestion. this is currently rockin' my iPod



dunno if that is helpful or not