March 8, 2011

[Tuo-SabresGM]

NJ 4 - OTT 1
Shots: 26-23 NJ
PP: NJ - 1/5; OTT - 0/4

no scoring
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28:25 1-0 NJ Ilya Kovalchuk [40] (Travis Zajac, Mattias Tedenby)PP
29:44 2-0 NJ Ilya Kovalchuk [41] (Cam Fowler)
30:02 2-1 OTT Alex Kovalev [23] (Michael Ryder, Joffrey Lupul)
38:59 3-1 NJ Dainius Zubrus [14] (Ilya Kovalchuk, Cam Fowler)
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45:07 4-1 NJ Ilya Kovalchuk [42] (Mattias Tedenby)
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Three Stars:
1st: Ilya Kovalchuk
2nd: Mattias Tedenby
3rd: Dainius Zubrus

Farm Result: Albany 0 - Binghamton 1

NYI 4 - TOR 3 (SO)
Shots: 25-20 TOR
PP: NYI - 1/4; TOR - 1/5

01:28 1-0 NYI Bruno Gervais [4] (Trent Hunter, Jonathan Tavares)
01:53 2-0 NYI Maxim Afinogenov [15] (Ryan Malone, Jonathan Tavares)PP
10:54 2-1 TOR Kenny Ryan [6] (Taylor Hall, Alexander Semin)SH
19:54 2-2 TOR Kyle Turris [18] (Martin Havlat, Keith Yandle)PP
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32:22 2-3 TOR Stanislav Galiev [6] (Martin Havlat, Alexander Semin)
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47:53 3-3 NYI Jesse Joensuu [2] (Blake Comeau, Josh Bailey)
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Shootout
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New York Islanders win 3-2
New York Islanders - Jonathan Tavares, miss; Maxim Afinogenov, goal; Alex Goligoski, goal; Trent Hunter, goal;
Toronto Maple Leafs - Alexander Semin, goal; Kyle Turris, goal; Martin Havlat, miss; Stanislav Galiev, miss;

Three Stars:
1st: Bruno Gervais
2nd: Maxim Afinogenov
3rd: Jesse Joensuu

Farm Result: Bridgeport 2 - Toronto 8

PHI 7 - EDM 2
Shots: 26-26
PP: PHI - 1/2; EDM - 1/3

06:59 1-0 PHI Tyler Cuma [1] (Daniel Brière, Scott Hartnell)
12:24 1-1 EDM Jean-François Jacques [8] (Andrew Cogliano, Tom Gilbert)PP
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30:43 2-1 PHI Mike Richards [23] (Scott Hartnell, Chris Pronger)
36:17 2-2 EDM Jordan Eberle [29] (Ladislav Smid, Luke Schenn)
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41:13 3-2 PHI Scott Hartnell [21] (Daniel Brière, Chris Pronger)
42:53 4-2 PHI Mike Richards [24] (Wade Redden, Jeff Carter)PP
43:58 5-2 PHI Ian Laperriere [5] (Wade Redden)
48:57 6-2 PHI Daniel Brière [25] (Chris Pronger, Braydon Coburn)
50:13 7-2 PHI Jeff Carter [35] (Braydon Coburn, Chris Pronger)
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Three Stars:
1st: Chris Pronger
2nd: Daniel Briere
3rd: Mike Richards

Farm Result: Adirondack 3 - Oklahoma City 2

PIT 6 - BUF 3
Shots: 31-29 PIT
PP: PIT - 1/3; BUF - 1/4

08:37 1-0 PIT Anze Kopitar [24] (Nick Bjugstad, Jarome Iginla)PP
11:45 1-1 BUF Kristian Huselius [33] (Chris Butler, Thomas Vanek)PP
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21:32 2-1 PIT Dan Fritsche [1] (Jarome Iginla)
31:31 2-2 BUF Drew Stafford [21] (Kristian Huselius, Ryan Johansen)
37:37 3-2 PIT Dan Fritsche [2] (Jarome Iginla, Simon Despres)
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46:23 3-3 BUF Thomas Vanek [32] (Rhett Warrener, Paul Gaustad)
48:14 4-3 PIT Jarome Iginla [34] (Dustin Jeffrey, Jonathan Bernier)
48:35 5-3 PIT Simon Despres [2] (Eric Brewer, Anze Kopitar)
53:02 6-3 PIT Nick Bjugstad [5] (Milan Michalek)
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Three Stars:
1st: Jarome Iginla
2nd: Nick Bjugstad
3rd: Dan Fritsche

Farm Result: W-B/Scranton 2 - Portland 4

MTL 2 - BOS 3
Shots: 26-20 BOS
PP: MTL - 0/4; BOS - 0/1

19:32 0-1 BOS Milan Lucic [26] (Patrice Bergeron)
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29:26 1-1 MTL Pavol Demitra [35] (Andrei Kostitsyn, Ethan Moreau)
33:17 2-1 MTL Marek Zidlicky [8] (Matt Smaby, Pavol Demitra)
34:12 2-2 BOS Chuck Kobasew [11] (Milan Lucic, Phil Kessel)
38:37 2-3 BOS Phil Kessel [30] (Milan Lucic)SH
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no scoring
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Three Stars:
1st: Milan Lucic
2nd: Phil Kessel
3rd: Chuck Kobasew

Farm Result: Hamilton 2 - Providence 3

FLA 3 - CHI 4 (SO)
Shots: 28-18 CHI
PP: FLA - 1/3; CHI - 2/5

10:17 0-1 CHI Patrick Sharp [31] (Brian Ward, Patrick Kane)
16:25 0-2 CHI Duncan Keith [6] (Brian Ward, Andrew Ladd)PP
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31:15 1-2 FLA Bryan McCabe [9] (Greg Campbell)
31:56 2-2 FLA Jordan Leopold [7] (Ville Koistinen, Loui Eriksson)
38:22 2-3 CHI Jonathan Toews [33] (Andrew Ladd, Brian Campbell)PP
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47:44 3-3 FLA Michael Frolík [23] (Bryan McCabe, Mikael Granlund)PP
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Shootout
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Chicago Blackhawks win 3-2
Florida Panthers - Stephen Weiss, miss; Michael Frolík, goal; Loui Eriksson, miss; Mikael Granlund, goal; Anton Gustafsson, miss;
Chicago Blackhawks - Jonathan Toews, miss; Patrick Kane, miss; Marian Hossa, goal; Andrew Ladd, goal; Brent Seabrook, goal;

Three Stars:
1st: Bryan McCabe
2nd: Michael Frolik
3rd: Patrick Kane

Farm Result: Rochester 1 - Rockford 3

MIN 2 - COL 5
Shots: 30-26 COL
PP: MIN - 0/4; COL - 1/2

08:58 0-1 COL Zach Parisé [18] (Mike Comrie, Ville Nieminen)
13:44 1-1 MIN Todd Bertuzzi [14] (Brendan Morrison, Jeff Halpern)
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20:57 1-2 COL Ville Nieminen [2] (Craig Anderson)
32:46 1-3 COL Alexander Steen [21] (John-Michael Liles, Zach Parisé)PP
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44:46 2-3 MIN Colton Gillies [15] (Antti Miettinen, Greg Zanon)
48:25 2-4 COL Zach Parisé [19] (Alexander Steen, Rob Blake)
49:28 2-5 COL Scottie Upshall [9] (Danny Markov, John-Michael Liles)
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Three Stars:
1st: Zach Parise
2nd: Alexander Steen
3rd: Colton Gillies

Farm Result: Houston 0 - Lake Erie 6

PHX 2 - VAN 1
Shots: 30-17 PHX
PP: PHX - 1/6; VAN - 0/3

06:22 0-1 VAN Kyle Wellwood [9] (Jordan Schroeder, Ryan Kesler)
14:44 1-1 PHO Brett Connolly [12] (Tomas Kaberle, Mikkel Boedker)PP
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22:57 2-1 PHO Boyd Gordon [11] (Zbynek Michalek, Martin Hanzal)
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no scoring
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Three Stars:
1st: Brett Connolly
2nd: Boyd Gordon
3rd: Viktor Tikhonov

Farm Result: San Antonio 2 - Manitoba 1

SJ 5 - NSH 2
Shots: 37-25 SJ
PP: SJ - 0/5; NSH - 0/3

07:48 1-0 SJ Alexander Radulov [26] (Nicklas Lidström)
10:53 2-0 SJ Dany Heatley [33] (Nicklas Lidström)
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23:28 3-0 SJ Dany Heatley [34] (Nicklas Lidström, Michal Rozsival)
26:33 3-1 NAS Jason Arnott [20] (Steve Sullivan, Shea Weber)
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41:37 3-2 NAS Aleksey Morozov [9] (Martin Erat, Jordin Tootoo)
49:19 4-2 SJ Guillaume Latendresse [13] (Ivan Telegin, Jack Skille)
55:06 5-2 SJ Joe Thornton [32] (Erik Cole)
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Three Stars:
1st: Dany Heatley
2nd: Nicklas Lidstrom
3rd: Guillaume Latendresse

Farm Result: Worcester 8 - Milwaukee 3

[Tuo-SabresGM]

Crazy evening as Chicago wins a crucial game, Buffalo loses an important one, but the blow is lessened by Montreal's loss (sorry Brad). http://ehechockey.com/EHEC.zip has it all.

[TorontoGM]

COL 2 points
NYI 2 points
TOR 1 point

Good enough. Our next 6 games: PHI, BUF, TB, CAR, FLA, and BOS. Then comes the real test. MIN, COL, and DET. All three on the road.

[Montreal Canadiens]

GAHHHH another 3-2 loss.

[Penguin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jimZ1tSdPY0

Disgusting...

I hope all of you lose all respect for Chara.



(My team finally scores more than 3!!! Nice Win )

[Jungle Cats]

i dunno, do you respect JMFJ?

[TorontoGM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jimZ1tSdPY0

Disgusting...

I hope all of you lose all respect for Chara.



(My team finally scores more than 3!!! Nice Win )

I still love Chara.

[GM Office Q]

Well, at least Lake Erie dominated.

[Virtual Jarmo]

I don't really see a lot of intent on Chara's part. Horrible result, and I really hope Pacioretty's ok. It was clear-cut interference. Based on the severity of the injury, he'll get suspended. I really can't see where Chara thought to himself, "I'm going to put this guy's head into the end of the bench." He's not an overly dirty player. I'd expect that more from a Trevor Gillies or a Matt Cooke.

[Commish Bub(NYR)]

I don't really see a lot of intent on Chara's part. Horrible result, and I really hope Pacioretty's ok. It was clear-cut interference. Based on the severity of the injury, he'll get suspended. I really can't see where Chara thought to himself, "I'm going to put this guy's head into the end of the bench." He's not an overly dirty player. I'd expect that more from a Trevor Gillies or a Matt Cooke.

This. It didn't even look like Chara was looking at Pacioretty when he hit him.

[NashvilleGM]

Still, you have to realize the possible consequence of your gestures.

I can't go on a highway driving at 200 KM/h , hitting someone, and then say, I didn't want to hurt him, I was just driving...

Chara's hit is a late hit therefore an illegal gesture and he knew where he was on the ice (danger in that particular spot). Pacioretty almost became paraplegic since there is a fractured vertebra...

Something needs to be done. Hockey players don't think at all before making hits and that's the problem.

[NashvilleGM]

I don't really see a lot of intent on Chara's part. Horrible result, and I really hope Pacioretty's ok. It was clear-cut interference. Based on the severity of the injury, he'll get suspended. I really can't see where Chara thought to himself, "I'm going to put this guy's head into the end of the bench." He's not an overly dirty player. I'd expect that more from a Trevor Gillies or a Matt Cooke.

This. It didn't even look like Chara was looking at Pacioretty when he hit him.

Tough to believe considering the fact that Chara had tried to rip Max's head off since that goal that concluded an habs comeback earlier this season when Pacioretty pushed Chara afterwards.

[Penguin]

Boys come on... There was beef between Chara and Pacioretty the last 2 months. No matter what, you don't hit someone into that part of the bench. He put his arm to block him and everything. Look at the video, it's just obvious.

Now Pacioretty fractured his C4, C5 vertebraes in his neck, and his career is in jeopardy.

[Montreal Canadiens]

I think it's a really tough play. There was some beef there, but Chara isn't a Matt Cooke. I think it was bad luck, but at the same time, it was a very late play. He could have avoided Pacioretty all together.

[Virtual Jarmo]

If that's on the other side, along the penalty boxes, it's just a run-of-the-mill shove into the glass. Like every other hit. We applaud hip checks when the guy puts the puck through the defenseman's skates and then gets low bridged and goes head over heels. Is that not interference too?

The driving example is a bad one. There's nothing that says you have to drive that fast. Hockey is a physical game and you are expected to play that way. It's unfortunate that the Pacioretty hit went up into the divider. Pacioretty had speed on Chara and beat him to the puck. Chara rode him out like any other guy would. Again, it just so happened that the divider was there.

You're right. Something needs to be done- about the rink design. Anywhere else on the rink and we aren't even talking about it.

By defintion, it was interference. He upheld the progress in the skating lane that Pacioretty had established. It became a major because of the outcome and will become a suspension because of Pacioretty's injuries. I see absolutely no intent, though I understand a suspension being levied.

Is anyone taking in to account Chara's body language as he skated around? Makes it pretty clear to me that he had no intention of doing that.

Horrible outcome, there are no winners. I don't think a suspension is warranted, but I fully see one coming.

[Montreal Canadiens]

I' watched it again 4 times or so, it's really tough. It's a normal play where a guy would push such player against the glass, but Chara's gotta know that, the glass part is there. You can see him push him into it, but whether or not he realized that was there, who knows. It's very very borderline hit with intent. My question is always in these circumstances, if Pacioretty got up with say only a concussion or even just a shit ton of stitches in his face, would you suspend Chara?

If no, then you're suspending him soley on the fact that Pacioretty got injured, which is wrong. If you still say yes, well then that's your opinion obviously, but I think if Pacioretty was OK and not with a cracked veterbrae right now, it would kind of mulled over, and Chara I don't think would be even facing a suspension or hearing.

I think he'll get suspended for sure, but whether they throw the book at him Bertuzzi style remains to be seen.

[Virtual Jarmo]

Boys come on... There was beef between Chara and Pacioretty the last 2 months. No matter what, you don't hit someone into that part of the bench. He put his arm to block him and everything. Look at the video, it's just obvious.

Now Pacioretty fractured his C4, C5 vertebraes in his neck, and his career is in jeopardy.

And if there was no beef, then what? Are you saying that Chara doesn't ride Pacioretty out into the boards without that? Chara's doing his job. Slowing up Pacioretty's progress so his defense partner can go track the puck down. Did he finish it a little differently than if it was Gionta? I'm sure he did.

Because of the history, I think people are fabricating the intent. Pacioretty shoving Chara to celebrate was a typical Pacioretty play. He's a pest and an energy guy. Chara was slighted by it and that was the end of it. Chara had a game with Pacioretty on February 9th to end it. Nothing really happened. As far as I'm concerned, it's over with.

It's a run-of-the-mill play. That ended horribly because of the location on the rink.

Sucks for Pacioretty, it really does. But, I don't see any intent on Chara's part. Bad rink design + unfortunate play. The important thing is for Pacioretty to get healthy. The NHL will decide on Chara. Or the Habs will next time they play.

[GM Office Q]

No intent to injure, in my opinion. This has been an unsolved issue for many years. Same thing with Jack Johnson on Ryan Smyth - it happens.

[Virtual Jarmo]

I think he'll get suspended for sure, but whether they throw the book at him Bertuzzi style remains to be seen.

No chance. Bertuzzi attacked a man from behind with clear intent. At best, in this case, Chara's intent is questionable.

Chara's was at least a hockey play. Bertuzzi's was pure thuggery.

[Montreal Canadiens]

Bertuzzi punched a guy that's all. Chara threw a guy face first into glass.

[Virtual Jarmo]

Bertuzzi punched a guy that's all. Chara threw a guy face first into glass.

You're kidding me, right? Bertuzzi jumped on a man's back and rode him into the ground. Then punched Moore again after he was unconscious, face down on the ice.

Show me evidence where Chara "threw" Pacioretty face first into the glass? He literally put his hand on the back of his head and shoved him into the glass?

I'm pretty sure that if Chara did that, the hockey community would be unanimous in calling for a lengthy suspension. But it isn't. There's a difference of opinion all over the place. Which immediately tells you that the intent is not entirely clear. It's subjective. And right now, the only opinion that matters is the NHL's. And Montreal fans will be upset with the outcome.


Which begs another question, and I know this will not get an honest answer. But Bern and Seb, if Pacioretty did this to Marchand, would you have the same feelings? What if this was done to somebody like Matt Cooke? He has his fair share of questionable hits, so do we say, "he deserved it"? If Clutterbuck did this to Gillies, do we applaud it?

[Virtual Jarmo]

Gotta say. Shocked that Chara didn't get a suspension. I'm not saying he deserved one, because I don't see intent. But, this just speaks to how messed up the suspension policy is. Some suspensions are based on outcome. No hit has had a worse outcome than this. Others are based on intent. I still don't see any. So, in this case, the NHL judged on intent.

It's a complete mystery when a guy has a disciplinary hearing. It should not be that way.

[Montreal Canadiens]

Bertuzzi punched a guy in the head who was the biggest pussy on god's face of the earth, and then, and only then, did a bunch of people dogpile the shit outta him causing his neck injuries. Go punch your buddy in the head, it's not going to break his neck. Even the doctors proved Moore's injuries were from his TEAMMATES piling on him.

Whatever though, that's done with. Surprised Chara wasn't suspended either.

[Virtual Jarmo]

Even the doctors proved Moore's injuries were from his TEAMMATES piling on him.

Have a link for this? I'd like to see that.

[Penguin]

Adam,

Bottom line is that Chara knew that the divider was there and at that moment, fully intended on swinging Pacioretty into it. I'm not saying Chara is a dirty player, but some hockey players don't always think before they do something. He definitely had to pay for it, and the NHL flipped a coin to decide wheter he'd be suspended or not... It's fucking ridiculous.

If a player on my own team does that to another player, I'll flat out slash him in the back. CHARA DID IT ON PURPOSE. Yes, it's a good play to block him off (interference penalty in that case, because the puck was gone for a few), but you don't use the fucking divider to make a play. A guy with a head on its shoulders, would have let him through. They are pro's for a reason.

I'm talking as a hockey fan, not a Habs fan.. Sopel would have done that to Marchand, I would have been the first one to expect a suspension to Sopel.

Also, when you have beef with a player, it doesn't go away after a game. The Boston-Montreal rivalry is big.

Max is lucky to be alive...

[TorontoGM]

It could have easily been his shoulder that took most of the hit but it wasn't and it's unfortunate. This isn't the first time someone has been pushed into those dividers but this is probably the worst injury to result from it. Chara should have been fined like 100K.

If the Canadiens want Chara to be punished than they can drop the gloves next time they play.....especially Gomez if he thinks he's so tough with his big mouth.

[Penguin]

Seriously eh Gomez is a fucking pussy! Blablablabla

People are driving me insane here. ''If Chara wouldn't have hit him, he would have had a breakway''.

[Montreal Canadiens]

Even the doctors proved Moore's injuries were from his TEAMMATES piling on him.

Have a link for this? I'd like to see that.

It was widely spread across the internet at the time. Do you think Max Pacioretty is going to try and sue Zdeno Chara?

Stupid Steve Moore, sucks that it happens, but now that it's in the past I don't feel bad for him at all. Guy was barely a NHL'er, and tries to sue Bertuzzi and the Canucks for TWENTY FREAKING MILLION. He probably wouldn't have even made that much if he played 10 more years. On top of that Burke tries to sign him to the Portland AHL team for $400,000 and he refuses, stating that's a disgrace. Even Bertuzzi offered him $400,000 settlement or something for the case to be dropped, and he refused!! Such a little shit.

[Jungle Cats]

Should be talking about Max Pac and Chara, but if you want to play the Moore game, and why not, it's back in the news...

Yes, blame the victim.

"Biggest pussy on the earth" - because he clipped Naslund with a hit the league found non-actionable, and three weeks later he fought Matt Cooke, and apparently found it prudent to avoid a second fight in a 8-2 blowout? - because, after working all his life to become a professional hockey player and finding himself able to stick with the forward group of the 04 Avs (a pretty decent group, imo), he has that career (probably not a great career, but he could've been another Dan Hinote) ended rather abruptly on an indefensibly dirty play and feels entitled to some compensation for that utter bullshit?

Or is it simply the dollar amount? Or the circus? I could see that offending, hell, I don't much like it either. The figures seem exorbitant, the timeline borderline ridiculous, but I don't fathom anybody reliably defending the actions of May, Crawford or Bertuzzi based on objections about what's happened in the aftermath.

I'd also love to see a link that corroborates the theory that it wasn't the initial hit (that clearly knocked him unconscious) and Bertuzzi driving Moore into the ice (prior to Nikolishin's arrival, Bertuzzi lands on the fallen Moore) that caused the majority of the damage.

[GM Office Q]

Brad's a Canuck fan, you won't get him to change his mind (similarly, as an Av fan, it's too late to change my mind as well). Beating a dead horse, here.

[TorontoGM]

Steve Moore NEVER had a career in the NHL. Bertuzzi ended his mediocre AHL career. And Bert didn't drive him into the ice, its called gravity.

20 million dollars? hahaha what a joke. I'd slap Moore in the face if I saw him in person.

[NashvilleGM]

Seriously, f*ck Chara. I hope he regrets this for the rest of his fricking life. Could of killed a guy .. giant punk. Enough said. He knew where he was. He knew the danger.

[Femur]

Beating a dead horse, here.

so to speak, here

btw - Bert's a goon; and the fact that Moore was a marginal player and that he was helped off of the margins and into the schelp crowd with the rest of us is kinda the point. if he already had earned a life-time of dough, there would be less sympathy.

[Montreal Canadiens]

Should be talking about Max Pac and Chara, but if you want to play the Moore game, and why not, it's back in the news...

Yes, blame the victim.

"Biggest pussy on the earth" - because he clipped Naslund with a hit the league found non-actionable, and three weeks later he fought Matt Cooke, and apparently found it prudent to avoid a second fight in a 8-2 blowout? - because, after working all his life to become a professional hockey player and finding himself able to stick with the forward group of the 04 Avs (a pretty decent group, imo), he has that career (probably not a great career, but he could've been another Dan Hinote) ended rather abruptly on an indefensibly dirty play and feels entitled to some compensation for that utter bullshit?

Or is it simply the dollar amount? Or the circus? I could see that offending, hell, I don't much like it either. The figures seem exorbitant, the timeline borderline ridiculous, but I don't fathom anybody reliably defending the actions of May, Crawford or Bertuzzi based on objections about what's happened in the aftermath.

I'd also love to see a link that corroborates the theory that it wasn't the initial hit (that clearly knocked him unconscious) and Bertuzzi driving Moore into the ice (prior to Nikolishin's arrival, Bertuzzi lands on the fallen Moore) that caused the majority of the damage.

It was all over the internet and newspaper, this is 3 years ago so tough to dig up stuff now. What do you mean clipped Naslund? He ended Naslund's season. Elbowed him straight to the face, in this year of hockey would have been deemed a "headshot" therefore a suspendable act. Naslund also broke his elbow or did something to his elbow on the fall. He was never the same after that game.

I'm not blaming him, he had it coming, but not to end his career. Also in that circumstances, I blame him because he thinks he's way better than $400,000. Like come on, $400,000, that's quite a bit of money. If you total the $400,000 that Bertuzzi was offering him + the $400,000 that Burke offered him (HE DIDNT EVEN HAVE TO PLAY!!) That would be obviously $800,000 for the year. Probably was triple the amount he made previously.

He's a coward, fought Matt Cooke, big deal, and then he wouldn't fight someone that actually had some size to him. He had retaliation coming, he didn't deserve to have his career ended, but at the same time suing Bertuzzi, Crawford, May, etc over all this, even his parents tried to sue the Canucks for the "mental" damage it did to them, all of that, and him acting like he's better than a $400,000 nhl contract is just plain being a fag.

[TorontoGM]

So typical, SHIT HAPPENS. Stop blaming Chara for something he never MEANT to do. If you think this is worse than Cooke's hit on Savard, you're fucken blinded by bias.

[Femur]

it's not just the money; it the p----y. sorry, you don't pull the quality p. pretty much in any regular job than you do as a marginal NHL player. his lawyer should have argued this in court. i can see it now:

"...as in Exhibit P you see Mr. Moore is face-deep in Ms. X; okay STOP TAPE. the members of the jury can plainly see what Ms Y is now doing with her ring finger. okay, roll tape...that is life in the NHL. Exhibit Q video tape is Mr. Moore just last week flirting with the bus girl at the Olive Garden [which was lovely] and making a mess of it..." "

[SharksGM]

Man I can't believe there are still people getting on Steve Moore's case. Grow the fuck up. I'd like to see how you'd respond to a 'hit' like Bertuzzi's, if you even play hockey to begin with. And don't give me shit about Moore's hit. You've probably watch that thing in slow motion and come up with the brilliant idea that Moore could have actually changed his mind about whether to hit Naslund or not in the tiny fraction of a second that it took for Naslund to kneel down and lower his head. The average human reaction time is at least 0.2 seconds, and that's for instinctive reactions, not careful decisions.

PS Lidstrom owns, Sharks rule, Preds drool.

[CapsGM]

bertuzzi sucks

[TorontoGM]

You see what Bert did to Doughty tonight? hahahaha

[Virtual Jarmo]

Adam,

Bottom line is that Chara knew that the divider was there and at that moment, fully intended on swinging Pacioretty into it. I'm not saying Chara is a dirty player, but some hockey players don't always think before they do something. He definitely had to pay for it, and the NHL flipped a coin to decide wheter he'd be suspended or not... It's fucking ridiculous.

If a player on my own team does that to another player, I'll flat out slash him in the back. CHARA DID IT ON PURPOSE. Yes, it's a good play to block him off (interference penalty in that case, because the puck was gone for a few), but you don't use the fucking divider to make a play. A guy with a head on its shoulders, would have let him through. They are pro's for a reason.

I'm talking as a hockey fan, not a Habs fan.. Sopel would have done that to Marchand, I would have been the first one to expect a suspension to Sopel.

Also, when you have beef with a player, it doesn't go away after a game. The Boston-Montreal rivalry is big.

Max is lucky to be alive...

Really? Chara's intention was to severely concuss the man and crack two of his vertebrae? You'd have to be one of the biggest pieces of shit on the planet to do that on purpose. If Chara wanted to injure Pacioretty, he'd do it the way everyone else does- a hit from behind into the boards.

There's no way Chara intended to have it end that way. To rub him out by the Bruins bench so the team could talk a little shit? Plausible. To nearly paralyze the man? No chance in hell. If he wanted to nearly paralyze somebody for a little shove, you'd think that over an 11-year career, he'd have more incidents like this. But he doesn't. The man plays hockey for a living and is physically imposing. He's 6'9". You don't think he's taken cheap shots before? Has he ever retaliated by severely injuring the opposing player? No. There's no way someone would act that out-of-character about such a petty incident regardless of what team the other guy plays for.

The NHL didn't flip a coin. IMO, Mike Murphy's explanation perfectly fit the situation. There was no intent to injure. Hell, like many pundits have said, if that happens anywhere else on the ice, it's a 2 minute minor for interference. So, the 5 + game was justifiable.


To the other post about suing, Pacioretty has no chance in hell at winning the lawsuit. It's absurd to think a judge would even hear it. Bertuzzi stalked Moore from the faceoff dot to the center ice red line before sucker punching him and then jumping on his back and riding him to the ice. Chara's was a hockey play with a highly unfortunate result. If Chara was able to premeditate in the 1.5 seconds between Pacioretty's chip of the puck and his impact with the divider, then that man is ridiculously gifted intellectually. It would take a perfect storm of events for Chara to plan that and have it work successfully.

There was nothing premeditated about what Chara did. Not a thing. To think so is ludicrous. Premeditation = intent. There wasn't any, so Chara wasn't suspended.

Again, the important thing is MaxPac getting healthy.

[Penguin]

You're getting me salty..

Chara knew the turnbuckle was there and hit him into it (IT WASN'T AN ACCIDENT). Attempt to injure or not, you just don't do that... Automatic suspension in my books.

Put it in your head!

[Virtual Jarmo]

You're getting me salty..

Chara knew the turnbuckle was there and hit him into it (IT WASN'T AN ACCIDENT). Attempt to injure or not, you just don't do that... Automatic suspension in my books.

Put it in your head!

I really don't care what I'm getting you, Bernier. I don't give a shit. You know why? Because I'm entitled to my opinion. And you're entitled to yours. We can go on about this for as long as you want, but one opinion matters. The NHL's. Their decision has been made and you have to live with it.

No matter how long we do this, neither of our opinions is changing. I'm done with it. You can be done with it whenever you want to be.

[Penguin]

Just trying to change your opinion!

*hug*

[Virtual Jarmo]

Just trying to change your opinion!

*hug*

Won't happen, man. Same opinion I've had since I first saw it.

Again, though, biggest concern is Pacioretty. Hopefully the NHLPA takes care of him if his playing career is done. And hopefully that's the worst case scenario.

Thanks for the hug though.

[Jets GM]

omg, this thread blew up! 40+ posts for a singe sim has to be a record.

since everyone chimed in being a hockey fan i will as well fwiw. anyone who is in the "omg chara 4surezies KNEW!!!!!" re:the "turnbuckle" are crazy (like Steve McAllef on the score, such asshat). even though its a possibility (VERY small one imo) he was able to take his eyes off the play/puck/Pacioretty and realize the opportunity to smash his head like that.....how are you ever going to know for sure? the only person that ever will is Chara and he'll live with the truth for the rest of his life. if he did really do intending to cause serious hurt with the help of the turnbuckle (which I really don't think he did), I'm a believer in the hockey gods and karma so things will get evened out eventually.

i heard moore's lawyer on the radio today, it appears this could get nasty. it sounds like the suit is against bertuzzi/crawford/VAN and they are going to be bringing up what was said between periods by coaches/players, doubt it will resemble the 24/7 Pens/Caps series. "were going to expose a side of the NHL that is very dark" or something like that was what he said. what a puke. he talked about his quality of life though and although femur's example is hilarious it also sounds like sadly its true, he wont ever get to reach his full potential in life because of the injuries sustained that night. i'd still say he should get like 1.5m-4m from VAN organization for employing such fine gentleman like Mr. Bertuzzi and Mr. Crawford even though he tried to take VAN captain's head off with his elbow.

No suspension is soooooo bad for the leagues image, that highlight is ALL over the place and not just sport channels either (in Canada at least). To only penalize in-game and not suspend a player for a play like that looks horrible imo to new/potential fans and kids because it just looks so frightening. You would hope players that have to play in archaic arena's with deathtraps like that could be aware and adjust, apparently only 3 or 4 NHL arenas have it again proving Chara usually doesn't play in arena with a turnbuckle.

how do we not have a :<3: emoticon for Adam and Bern?