Financial Policy FAQ Thread

[Virtual Jarmo]

This thread can include your questions, but ZERO discussion of changes to the Rulebook and the Financial Policy. You can ask for clarification, but the financial policy is staying put.

How does the formula work for determining the new base salary?
Downloading PlayerScout would be extremely helpful for you. But, the base formula is to first determine the OF/DF average. You add OF and DF together and then divide by 2. When you get that average, you look for the bracket that your player falls in. Let's take Player X who is 75 OF and 75 DF. His average is obviously 75. He currently makes $2,000,000. The percentage increase for him is 50%. Half of $2,000,000 is $1,000,000. So you add $1,000,000 to his salary and you get a new base of $3,000,000.

If you have 25% or 75%, the easiest thing to do is open the calculator in Windows or macOS and take the current base and multiply by .25 or .75, then add that number to the current base. If you are decreasing, multiply by .25 or .75 and then subtract that number from the current base.

This seems too complicated. Can you figure this out?
If you wish to offer an extension to a player, post the player and the amount of years. Myself, Ryan, or Nick will figure out the salary and put it in the post. But, we ask that you at least try. If it's wrong, we will fix it.

Where can I find the Exhibit 5 Bonuses?
http://www.nhlscap.com/Exhibit5.htm I suggest bookmarking this link. We are only using the Schedule A bonuses, not the postseason awards bonuses.

I don't like the arbitration process because there are no strict guidelines. Why?
The arbitration process will be like it is in real-life. Whoever is handling the case will be responsible for finding similar players and looking at their contracts and production compared to your player's. You can choose to accept or decline the suggested price.

How were the brackets determined?
Largely guesswork and seeing if they came out to be what a player should be worth. They are not perfect and no system would be. Some players would be overpaid and others would be underpaid, similar to real life. The fact is, this system is better than the one that was previously in place and should be able to regulate the game's finances.

Will the salary cap be raised?
Probably, but I cannot say for sure. Some players will get significant raises. Others won't. Some will get less money. It will take some sorting out of the new contracts before we can determine that. With so few bargain players under 2M available, and the cap being just under $2,500,000 per player, an increase is likely.

What about down the road where contracts will be way too high?
The arbitration process for players over 28 is one way to try and fix any problems down the road. Otherwise, the goal was to find a short-term solution before we got a really long-term problem. We can always fix something in the future as long as we fix the problem now.

How do I know an arbitrator won't screw me over?
I will have final say over the proposed price and I am hand-picking who I want for the arbitration board. Have I ever dicked anyone over to this point?

Explain the percentage system again.
OK. You have Player H who makes $4,500,000 with an average of 81 at the age of 26. He is due a 50% raise. $4,500,000 * .5 = $2,250,000. His new base salary, without bonuses included, would be $6,750,000.

Or, Player P who makes $800,000 with an average of 68, but has a DF of 75. He is due a 25% increase. $800,000 * .25 = $200,000. His new base salary, without bonuses, is $1,000,000.

Or Player Q who makes $1,350,000 with an average of 77. He is due a 150% raise. $1,350,000 + $1,350,000 = $2,700,000. $2,7000,000 * .5 = $1,350,000. $2,700,000+$1,350,000 = $4,050,000.

For the 100+%s, add the base salary to find the number. So a 200% raise for a $1,000,000 player would be $1M + $1M + $1M = $3,000,000. A 100% increase = double, a 200% increase = triple, a 300% increase = quadruple, etc.

How do the Exhibit 5 bonuses work for non-2010 Draft Class players?
For players who were 25 & under when they signed an EHEC contract, the Exhibit 5 bonuses count for them. They will be added to the next year's salary and stop at six bonuses, or an additional $1,500,000. They will be enforced on next year's base salary. The attribute bonuses will NOT be added on.

Do Exhibit 5 bonuses count for 2011 Draftees?
No.

(Insert player here) is going to cost too much money. This system sucks.
There are overpaid players in real life of every sport. If you don't want to pay him, then don't. Somebody else will. There are enough bottom feeder teams that will need talent like that, even if it is slightly overpriced. Or, trade him to somebody who will sign him if you take a contract off their hands. Fiscal responsibility also falls under a real-life GMs job description. This is realism at its finest.


Any other questions, I'll answer them. Please be mindful of what I said at the top of this post. Unless there's a glaring mishap in the new financial system, it's mostly set in stone. If you feel the need to PM me about it, do that. But keep it private. I do not want an undermining of the work I've done. If you feel something is wrong, handle it maturely.

[CapsGM]

I think this will be good for the league. Well done, Adam.

Players 32 & over will be unrestricted free agents. With the exception being that the team who previously had the player can win the bidding if their total contract offer is no more than 10% cheaper than the winning bid. In other words, if Player X becomes a free agent and the winning bid is 4 years/12M and Team A, his former team, bids 4 years/11M, Team A gets to retain their player. Another example being that Team B offers Player Z a one-year contract worth 2M. Team C offers Player Z a two-year contract worth 1.8M.

Regardless of greed/no chance to retain rights?

As a related question - can you give a Franchise Tag to a UFA? I'm guessing once you win the bid you can tag him?

Is there only one Franchise Tag per team allowed?

[Virtual Jarmo]

Regardless of greed/no chance to retain rights?

UFA's don't really have "rights". That said, I'm thinking about upping the 10% to 15% or 20% in terms of a contract. But, really, how many 30+ UFAs sign with the same team? Maybe 25%?

As a related question - can you give a Franchise Tag to a UFA? I'm guessing once you win the bid you can tag him?

That would be a pretty cheap way to circumvent the system. So I'm going to say no. Creative, but no.

Is there only one Franchise Tag per team allowed?

Yes. For now. That might change if we see a lot of salary cap issues.

[Penguin]

1-My boy Kopitar makes 6.8M/year signed for 6 more years. He's only 23. He's still eligible to get Exhibit 5 Bonuses?

2-When you say OFF/DEF average.. Is it the current average or the projected average?

3-The ''players over 32 contracts rule'' will turn this league into a war zone!

4-

Players whose supplemental attributes (skating, faceoffs, endurance, etc) are 80 or above will also receive a bonus.

Please clarify!


(Btw, great work!!!)

[Montreal Canadiens]

1st round: 1-10 = 2.5M; 11-20 = 2M; 21-30 = 1.75M
2nd round: 31-40 = 1.5M; 41-50 = 1.25M; 51-60 = 1M
3rd round: 61-75 = 900k; 76-90 = 850k
4th round: 91-105 = 800k, 106-120 = 750k
5th-7th rounds = 600k

Does this mean somebody drafted in the top 10 of the 2011 draft will be signed to a 3 year ELC at $2.5M per season as his base salary?

[Virtual Jarmo]

1-My boy Kopitar makes 6.8M/year signed for 6 more years. He's only 23. He's still eligible to get Exhibit 5 Bonuses?

Was he signed before EHEC started? If so, then the bonuses are not applicable. Only to players 25&U who signed after we started.

2-When you say OFF/DEF average.. Is it the current average or the projected average?

Projected. I will fastsim ahead 3 or 4 years and go based off that.

4-

Players whose supplemental attributes (skating, faceoffs, endurance, etc) are 80 or above will also receive a bonus.

Please clarify!


(Btw, great work!!!)

What's there to clarify? Pretty self-explanatory. If a guy has an 80 or better in one of the non-major-six categories gets a bonus.

[Virtual Jarmo]

1st round: 1-10 = 2.5M; 11-20 = 2M; 21-30 = 1.75M
2nd round: 31-40 = 1.5M; 41-50 = 1.25M; 51-60 = 1M
3rd round: 61-75 = 900k; 76-90 = 850k
4th round: 91-105 = 800k, 106-120 = 750k
5th-7th rounds = 600k

Does this mean somebody drafted in the top 10 of the 2011 draft will be signed to a 3 year ELC at $2.5M per season as his base salary?

Yes.

[SharksGM]

Does < 65 CON get any discount, and do all of the other stats count for bonuses (including fighting, endurance, leadership, strength...) and discounts?

Projected. I will fastsim ahead 3 or 4 years and go based off that.

Got anything in mind to deal with the AI GM's stupid roster moves? They love to send down 22-24 y.o. players, sometimes regardless of OV (so when I fastsim the AI inevitably sends down Jack Skille and sometimes Setoguchi while I had him), and players can easily either lose stats on the farm or not develop as well as they would in the NHL.

[Penguin]

How much is the bonus for the endurance, etc over 80?

[Montreal Canadiens]

1st round: 1-10 = 2.5M; 11-20 = 2M; 21-30 = 1.75M
2nd round: 31-40 = 1.5M; 41-50 = 1.25M; 51-60 = 1M
3rd round: 61-75 = 900k; 76-90 = 850k
4th round: 91-105 = 800k, 106-120 = 750k
5th-7th rounds = 600k

Does this mean somebody drafted in the top 10 of the 2011 draft will be signed to a 3 year ELC at $2.5M per season as his base salary?

Yes.

Holy jeebus. Paying a 4th round pick, (who will never make the NHL), also $800K? Hopefully our cap is going to be $100M.

[CapsGM]

1st round: 1-10 = 2.5M; 11-20 = 2M; 21-30 = 1.75M
2nd round: 31-40 = 1.5M; 41-50 = 1.25M; 51-60 = 1M
3rd round: 61-75 = 900k; 76-90 = 850k
4th round: 91-105 = 800k, 106-120 = 750k
5th-7th rounds = 600k

Does this mean somebody drafted in the top 10 of the 2011 draft will be signed to a 3 year ELC at $2.5M per season as his base salary?

Yes.

Holy jeebus. Paying a 4th round pick, (who will never make the NHL), also $800K? Hopefully our cap is going to be $100M.

If he's never going to make the NHL then you shouldn't have to worry.

[Virtual Jarmo]

Does < 65 CON get any discount, and do all of the other stats count for bonuses (including fighting, endurance, leadership, strength...) and discounts?

Should, yes. That's something I'll ponder. But 65 CON is probably high, I'd probably look more at 60. As for bonuses, I don't think fighting will count for one. The others will.

Got anything in mind to deal with the AI GM's stupid roster moves? They love to send down 22-24 y.o. players, sometimes regardless of OV (so when I fastsim the AI inevitably sends down Jack Skille and sometimes Setoguchi while I had him), and players can easily either lose stats on the farm or not develop as well as they would in the NHL.

Not really, no. Now that you've brought it to my attention, I'll be aware of it.

[Virtual Jarmo]

How much is the bonus for the endurance, etc over 80?

$100,000 for 80-84, $200,000 for 85+.

$250,000 for 80+ CON.

[Virtual Jarmo]

1st round: 1-10 = 2.5M; 11-20 = 2M; 21-30 = 1.75M
2nd round: 31-40 = 1.5M; 41-50 = 1.25M; 51-60 = 1M
3rd round: 61-75 = 900k; 76-90 = 850k
4th round: 91-105 = 800k, 106-120 = 750k
5th-7th rounds = 600k

Does this mean somebody drafted in the top 10 of the 2011 draft will be signed to a 3 year ELC at $2.5M per season as his base salary?

Yes.

Holy jeebus. Paying a 4th round pick, (who will never make the NHL), also $800K? Hopefully our cap is going to be $100M.

If he's never going to make the NHL then you shouldn't have to worry.

This.

Plus with a two-way on the farm, he'll make significantly less in terms of the AHL cap, which he won't count towards until he's 20 anyway.

[Montreal Canadiens]

True, but if said player in the 4th round, who's going to be 50-50 or 60-60, without signing that 800K deal would prob ask for the league minimum as a UFA.

[Jets GM]

Does < 65 CON get any discount, and do all of the other stats count for bonuses (including fighting, endurance, leadership, strength...) and discounts?

Should, yes. That's something I'll ponder. But 65 CON is probably high, I'd probably look more at 60. As for bonuses, I don't think fighting will count for one. The others will.

Got anything in mind to deal with the AI GM's stupid roster moves? They love to send down 22-24 y.o. players, sometimes regardless of OV (so when I fastsim the AI inevitably sends down Jack Skille and sometimes Setoguchi while I had him), and players can easily either lose stats on the farm or not develop as well as they would in the NHL.

Not really, no. Now that you've brought it to my attention, I'll be aware of it.

Why should the actual skill of fighting not count? Winning a fight can affect momentum irl and in the simulation engine iirc

[SharksGM]

I'm still somewhat confused about Exhibit 5 bonuses too. So do all of the schedule A bonuses apply, or not including ASG/All-Rookie Team? And are they only going to apply this season for now or for the entire life of the contract?

Like if player x is making $2m for the next 5 years:

He hits 3 bonuses this season - is his cap hit going to be 2.75 for the following 4 years?
If he hits 2 of the same bonuses next season, does it then rise again to 3.25? How about 2 different ones? Or is the system still TBD for seasons following this one?

[Penguin]

1-Exbitit 5... To add to Dan's questions, does it apply to new contracts or only the cheap ones that were done in EHEC before the freeze?

2-Cody Hodgson... Projected to be 89/79. Is he still considered a ''specialist''? Makes no sense! Plus, he's going to be a winger all his life and I have to give him 250,000 more for his faceoff attribute.

3-The non-major 6 categories. Endurance can go up and down, Leadership takes years to develop, Strength also. How is this measured?

[Virtual Jarmo]

I'm still somewhat confused about Exhibit 5 bonuses too. So do all of the schedule A bonuses apply, or not including ASG/All-Rookie Team? And are they only going to apply this season for now or for the entire life of the contract?

Like if player x is making $2m for the next 5 years:

He hits 3 bonuses this season - is his cap hit going to be 2.75 for the following 4 years?
If he hits 2 of the same bonuses next season, does it then rise again to 3.25? How about 2 different ones? Or is the system still TBD for seasons following this one?

Performance-based bonuses only count. The "awards" section doesn't, largely because EHM generates that and I don't have the energy to have it voted on.

1-Exbitit 5... To add to Dan's questions, does it apply to new contracts or only the cheap ones that were done in EHEC before the freeze?

2-Cody Hodgson... Projected to be 89/79. Is he still considered a ''specialist''? Makes no sense! Plus, he's going to be a winger all his life and I have to give him 250,000 more for his faceoff attribute.

3-The non-major 6 categories. Endurance can go up and down, Leadership takes years to develop, Strength also. How is this measured?

1. Applies to all contracts to players 25 & under signed after EHEC began. Also applies to the 2010 Draft class. Other than that, nobody is affected.

2. Deal with it.

3. Going to have a separate file fastsimmed ahead. I know endurance goes up and down, especially if they show up to camp out of shape. Leadership probably won't be very relevant for the increase, especially because of the older players being based on arbitration.

I'll have a master fast-sim file and I will make it available. It's my first day home, so let me get other things in order and then I'll start focusing on this.

[Penguin]

Alright sounds good and hope you enjoyed Vegas!

I would just like to suggest to cut down the non-major 6 categories from 6 to 3. Skating, Faceoffs, Fighting.
Much easier for you and the rest of us, because we would be able to calculate the projected stats, no need for a long-term file, and those attributes are key to the game.

[Virtual Jarmo]

Update on things. First off, I hope to set up the fastsim file tomorrow. Second, it will be made available only on the forums. I'm not going to edit the downloads page to include it. So, you will only be able to find it in the stickied thread in this forum.

I know I said contracts would start right away when I got back, but I haven't been able to really look hard through this thread and answer the questions completely or look at alternative ideas, nor have I contacted all of the arbitrators. I hope to do this by Tuesday. (Monday is Valentine's Day, most of us have shit to do)

For now, please hold off on the contracts until that point.

[TorontoGM]

Haha I've been holding off on my contracts since August and I'm sure they are others like me. But whatever, I'm just gonna copy Boston.

[SharksGM]

When you calculate OF/DF, do you round down or keep all digits? i.e. would 71 72 72 72 73 73 = 71.66 OF, 72.66 DF = 72.166 OV, or is it 71 OF/72 DF = 71.5 OV?

As far as I understand your brackets, 70-71 means 70-71.99999, so I guess it doesn't matter whether you round OV or not, only whether you round OF/DF or not.

[Virtual Jarmo]

When you calculate OF/DF, do you round down or keep all digits? i.e. would 71 72 72 72 73 73 = 71.66 OF, 72.66 DF = 72.166 OV, or is it 71 OF/72 DF = 71.5 OV?

As far as I understand your brackets, 70-71 means 70-71.99999, so I guess it doesn't matter whether you round OV or not, only whether you round OF/DF or not.

I've been approaching it as rounding up to the next bracket. Depending on how many guys seem to fall with the .5, I'll have to see what the course of action will be.

[CapsGM]

About the arbitration process and finding comparable players:

"Players signed through unrestricted free agency are not eligible to be used as comparables."

Since many of the players 32 and over have signed their contracts as UFAs, will this rule still apply for the older players?

[Virtual Jarmo]

About the arbitration process and finding comparable players:

"Players signed through unrestricted free agency are not eligible to be used as comparables."

Since many of the players 32 and over have signed their contracts as UFAs, will this rule still apply for the older players?

I would guess that we'll have to go with what was done pre-EHEC in terms of contracts. Other than that, I'm sure we can figure it out based on market value for the player's ability and age.

[Commish Bub(NYR)]

Perhaps I missed this somewhere, but for ELCs to prospects from drafts prior to 2011, will they be getting the EHM offer? Or will their salary be determined by the results of the sim-ahead?

[Virtual Jarmo]

Perhaps I missed this somewhere, but for ELCs to prospects from drafts prior to 2011, will they be getting the EHM offer? Or will their salary be determined by the results of the sim-ahead?

Yeah, this is a definite sticking point. For the 2010 draft, those players are based on the new draft slot system. They get Exhibit 5 bonuses that can elevate their contract up to the new draft slot system. So, for example, a guy like Dylan McIlrath can receive E5 bonuses that push his contract up to 2M.

Prior to the first EHEC draft, it's difficult because not all these guys are worth up to their slot. If they were signed in EHEC, they're on the hook for E5 bonuses. If they are still unsigned prospects, just pick a figure like $600,000 and go from there. A guy like Peter Holland was a first rounder, but his ceilings suck and he'll never make it up to slot.

Anybody signed to an ELC from EHEC is on the hook for E5. Other guys, just pick a number. If they aren't already signed, it's probably because they aren't very good.

[Commish Bub(NYR)]

If they are still unsigned prospects, just pick a figure like $600,000 and go from there. A guy like Peter Holland was a first rounder, but his ceilings suck and he'll never make it up to slot.

Chris Kreider for more. He'll be a decent AHLer, but that's about it.

Anybody signed to an ELC from EHEC is on the hook for E5. Other guys, just pick a number. If they aren't already signed, it's probably because they aren't very good.

How about league minimum? That's a number I like.

[Virtual Jarmo]

Here's what I have decided to do in the case of .5's that would jump brackets. Basically, a 79.5 average, a 74.5 average, etc. What I will do is take the midpoint between the two brackets. Players' OF and DF fluctuate regularly. So, I'll just take the midpoint and then go from there.

Case in point, Zach Parise. Currently, he's 84 OF 75 DF (79.5). If he were 84 OF 76 DF (80 average), he would make 6.25M as his base salary (6.55 total). If he were 84 OF 74 DF (79 average), he would make 4,687,500. Obviously, that's an enormous difference and a flaw in the system. The difference between the two salaries is 1,562,500. The midpoint is 781,250. So, in the case of averages that end in .5 that fall between two brackets, the midpoint between the two salary differences (higher base - lower base) / 2, will be the formula for those, rather than rounding up or rounding down.

Parise's base salary would then be the lower base + the midpoint (4,687,500 + 781,250). Which is 5,468,750.

The rulebook will be updated with this policy change.

Also, players will be rated based on their (OF + DF) / 2 at the end of their season, whether it be the conclusion of the regular season of playoffs. That's when contract extensions will go through for each team. Arbitration hearings will be done based on what the player is at the time of the hearing.

Remember that young players, basically those below the age of 24 or 25, will be based off the fastsim file. That can be found at http://www.ehechockey.com/EHEC_Fastsim.zip

[Penguin]

Questionnnn sir!

About Exhibit 5 again...

How do we calculate the amount of ice time?

[Virtual Jarmo]

Questionnnn sir!

About Exhibit 5 again...

How do we calculate the amount of ice time?

In the statistics tab, go to whichever team you want. Use the scroll bar to scroll right and there's a stat IT/G. Click to sort that column. Top 6 among forwards, top 4 among defensemen. Minimum 42 games played.

[Penguin]

Thanks!

[Virtual Jarmo]

After consideration with some EHM veterans and looking over some of the results based on the Fastsim, including its shortcomings, I have decided NOT to use the fastsim file as a basis for contracts. The variance produced by the fastsim is not necessarily indicative of what will happen with our main EHEC file. Not to mention, given the players exiting the ELCs that were in place before EHEC began, those guys have had 2 full years in our file and should be mostly fully developed. Same for the younger players, prospects, and draft picks signed in EHEC because we allow underagers where EHM doesn't. Diminishing skills/attributes for players does not really occur until around the age of 30 or after and those players are already graded by arbitration, not a system based solely on the numbers.

I have some changes to the attribute bonuses and de-valuations as well. Endurance will no longer be a factor, as it varies too much based on status, morale, etc. Leadership will remain uncounted, as will faceoffs for defensemen. Fighting will be considered, though I doubt there are many 80+ fighters in the file. There will be no fighting de-valuation. Skating will continue to be considered.

So, for attribute bonuses. SK, Fighting, Faceoffs. Strength will not be considered. After further thought, penalty will NOT be included for either a bonus OR a de-valuation. Endurance not in consideration.

I'll be updating the Rulebook with this and some of the other things later in the week. I only have 4 free pdf conversions left that align the Rulebook the way it needs to be, so I'm trying my best to save them.

[Parker]

I only have 4 free pdf conversions left that align the Rulebook the way it needs to be, so I'm trying my best to save them.

My business owns a copy of Acrobat so I can do as many PDF conversions as you like.

[Commish Bub(NYR)]

Same here.

[Virtual Jarmo]

After even further review, Tommy and I have decided that going forward, we will take the higher OF + DF / 2 from the EHEC file and the fastsim file and calculate the contract. The reason for this is simple. Some players have had their growth stunted by injury or an inept GM. There are several players who would receive significantly less than they are worth if we used the current file. I realize that there are bargains in real life. But, here are some examples of what we're dealing with.

Drew Doughty is probably the biggest, based on his lengthy injury that stunted his development.

Current file (75 OF 82 DF): 3,700,000
Fastsim file (77 OF 85 DF): 4,575,000

While it may not seem like much, and this is not as extreme a case as the following one, with the system we have, an additional 5 OF/DF points raises Doughty a bracket.

Alex Pietrangelo was kept unsigned by the original STL GM, thus stunting his growth.

Current file (68 OF 85 DF): 3,162,500
Fastsim file (76 OF 87 DF): 4,925,000

This is an extreme case, with a 10 point difference, Pietrangelo jumps up two full brackets. 1.8M is a hefty sum of money and to have a 76 OF 87 DF defenseman making 3.1625 given what others are making seems a little extreme.

Given the fact that we're basing these contracts on players 27 & under, attribute decline should be kept to a minimum. There will be slight variance in terms of OF/DF based on training, ice time, etc., but for the most part, these players will be as good or better than they are. I think that paying them based on their ceiling is the appropriate way to handle this. Being manually trained will certainly have a different effect than what the CPU decides to do, not to mention, we have no way of knowing if injury or something stunted the growth. The higher number is more indicative of what a player is capable of.

To some extent, with guys who are 26 or 27, they may decline toward the end of their contracts and not be worth what they were paid. That's as realistic as it gets.

For now, I think this is the best course of action to take. If some of you see it differently, let me know. I'm not overhauling the entire system. Just looking at this lone issue.

[Montreal Canadiens]

To me, it would make more sense to go with what he is now in EHEC. Since he'll sign a 4 year deal at whatever amount he works out too, and after that 4-year deal is up he'll be then signed to an even bigger number. That's the way it goes in real life, as you get better, you get more money.

[Virtual Jarmo]

To me, it would make more sense to go with what he is now in EHEC. Since he'll sign a 4 year deal at whatever amount he works out too, and after that 4-year deal is up he'll be then signed to an even bigger number. That's the way it goes in real life, as you get better, you get more money.

No, the way it goes in real life is that you have an escalating salary and a cap hit. By December or January, Pietrangelo will be worth closer to 4.9M than 3.1M, and that's a no brainer. And, if we went with current, he'd make 3.1M for four years. Or, Tommy could franchise him and get a franchise defenseman for 2.5M. Then, some team with a franchise defenseman making 6M is going to piss and moan at me for the system not working. I'm not dealing with that.

Feasibly, we could argue that Pietrangelo's "cap hit" would be 4M because it's an average of the two values. That's an alternate way to handle the gap.

[Montreal Canadiens]

Yeah, one loophole is franchising somebody.

People should get paid what they are worth at said time. Case in point, people like Ryan Kesler in real life. Not a lot of people would have predicted him to be a 40 goal scorer. It's why he got 2M per season until he started lighting up the score board.

Shouldn't be paying somebody because they have potential, should work the opposite. Pay them what they are worth at the given time.

[Virtual Jarmo]

Yeah, one loophole is franchising somebody.

People should get paid what they are worth at said time. Case in point, people like Ryan Kesler in real life. Not a lot of people would have predicted him to be a 40 goal scorer. It's why he got 2M per season until he started lighting up the score board.

Shouldn't be paying somebody because they have potential, should work the opposite. Pay them what they are worth at the given time.

But their potential and ceilings are blatantly obvious in EHM. Using real life as an example isn't going to work in this instance. There's no doubt, save for an injury, that Doughty and Pietrangelo will develop fully. There are no certainties like that in real life. Alexandre Daigle nods in agreement somewhere.

[SharksGM]

People should get paid what they are worth at said time. Case in point, people like Ryan Kesler in real life. Not a lot of people would have predicted him to be a 40 goal scorer. It's why he got 2M per season until he started lighting up the score board.

Shouldn't be paying somebody because they have potential, should work the opposite. Pay them what they are worth at the given time.

A lot of younger players don't re-sign until the offseason precisely to try to boost their value with a solid final year of their ELC/second contract. And some players certainly do get paid based on potential, otherwise why is Rostislav Olesz making 3 million?

I did have a real question to add though - if a pending RFA's arbitration offer is rejected, does the team still hold his rights as a UFA until July 1st and can they trade them? Same with UFAs, I suppose.

This isn't an issue in the NHL because RFA arbitration happens in August and players immediately become UFAs if the offer is not accepted. With UFAs, well, there is no arbitration so their rights can still be traded before July 1st.

[Virtual Jarmo]

I did have a real question to add though - if a pending RFA's arbitration offer is rejected, does the team still hold his rights as a UFA until July 1st and can they trade them? Same with UFAs, I suppose.

This isn't an issue in the NHL because RFA arbitration happens in August and players immediately become UFAs if the offer is not accepted. With UFAs, well, there is no arbitration so their rights can still be traded before July 1st.

In the case of a rejected arbitration, the team who holds his rights could trade his rights, yes, but as your post says, he is considered UFA once arbitration is rejected. And then the team who acquired the player would be subject to the Rights Trading procedures in Rule 9D, beginning on page 18 in the Rulebook.

Also, teams can simply extend a qualifying offer to an RFA rather than go the arbitration route. Those are in Rule 7A1 on page 15. I haven't determined how I will figure out if guys accept or not, because some guys would accept small raises in EHM. I think that would be a loophole in the system and one that I won't allow without a very strong chance that they decline the offer.

Keep in mind, for UFA rights, if you trade for the rights of a 32+ year old player, he would count for your 32+ signings. (Page 12 of the Rulebook)

[SharksGM]

Also, teams can simply extend a qualifying offer to an RFA rather than go the arbitration route. Those are in Rule 7A1 on page 15. I haven't determined how I will figure out if guys accept or not, because some guys would accept small raises in EHM. I think that would be a loophole in the system and one that I won't allow without a very strong chance that they decline the offer.

So... any firm ideas on this? I was just going to qualify Alec Martinez and assumed it would be insta-rejected, but if I offer the standard cheapskate offer of $1.2M/TW/TO/PO he's probably going to accept it. He's due ~2M based on the fastsim.

I'm fine with A-Mart sitting out a year as an RFA, although I'd naturally prefer to have him sitting in the AHL, 2M salary or not.

[Virtual Jarmo]

I just wanted to clarify something.

Guys who are obviously minor leaguers are not subject to arbitration or the 32 & over rule or any of those provisions. If they aren't in high demand, there's no reason to waste our time with them. Just follow the formula chart from the Rulebook for any regular minor leaguer guys, whether they need the in-game 60 and under contract or the formula for guys between 61-70 OA.


On Dan's question in the previous post, I have an idea. I'm going to run it by Tommy and Quinn before I post it. I think it's a decent way of doing it, but I'll see what they say. Should have an answer on that tonight.

[Virtual Jarmo]

No answer coming tonight.

As we began to discuss it, it raised a couple different issues, so we have to seriously consider several layers of this issue.

I'll keep updating this thread as needed.

[Virtual Jarmo]

I just wanted to make something clear. Franchise tags can only be used on players who are up for contract. Players who are already signed will not have their salaries taken down 25%. Only new contracts are eligible. Also, not eligible for players signed via free agency.

[Virtual Jarmo]

No faceoff bonus to LW/RW players. If a guy is not eligible to play C, he is not eligible for the FA bonus.