2013-14 Salary Cap Numbers

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:58 am

This is what I got:

All salaries totaled from Team Page: $57,154,311

Subtract Bourque at 1/2 price + Jeffrey LTIR (2M): $55,667,506

Salaries from ANA deal: Voracek - $1,181,534.46, combo + $1,300,843.43

Total: 55,786,815.47

Jagr Buyout Total: $61,786,827.47

My apologies, I admittedly made the ANA deal without checking into detail. I ball parked the figures, and then Bourque got suspended for killing Donskoi. I have recalled Sproul(600k) and demoted Carle (1.4M) which clears up 800k while Bourque is suspended.

Thanks for Brad and Quinn for asking, iirc you both spent some time over the cap before. Particularly Brad, I think its quite amusing you would ask how long I've been over. Your EHEC finances are infamous, and at this point, the idea of penalizing anyone is unrealistic. A precedent for not penalizing anyone for breaking the financial rules has been set. Many teams have been over for long periods of time. Why would Adam start now?

TorontoGM · Post by **TorontoGM** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:37 am

1. Maybe stop making so many fucken trades and you wouldn't have to worry about pro-rated contracts

2. If your over cap, that means ethier A: Your lazy or B: You never learned math

3. If no one is gonna get penalized, be it now or during the off-season then I'm out

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:18 am

Voracek deal was first if the season. The math is simple, but time consuming. I get zero enjoyment out of a super realistic finance system. And stop being so dramatic.

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:54 am

Montreal Canadiens wrote:BOS/CGY at $55M/$56M is impressive.

I could do even better if I decided to keep only a 20-man roster.

Come on guys, it's not that hard to get under the cap.

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:27 am

Tampa Bay GM wrote:...at this point, the idea of penalizing anyone is unrealistic. A precedent for not penalizing anyone for breaking the financial rules has been set. Many teams have been over for long periods of time. Why would Adam start now?

If I were Adam, I'd start enforcing the cap rules specifically because of attitudes like this. Your tu quoque fallacious argument is pretty offensive to those of us who try to abide by the rules regardless of who isn't being punished for breaking them. Maybe instead of pointing fingers, you should just try to set a better example.

Singin the BLUES · Post by **Singin the BLUES** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:01 am

Parker wrote:
Tampa Bay GM wrote:...at this point, the idea of penalizing anyone is unrealistic. A precedent for not penalizing anyone for breaking the financial rules has been set. Many teams have been over for long periods of time. Why would Adam start now?
If I were Adam, I'd start enforcing the cap rules specifically because of attitudes like this. Your tu quoque fallacious argument is pretty offensive to those of us who try to abide by the rules regardless of who isn't being punished for breaking them. Maybe instead of pointing fingers, you should just try to set a better example.

Well said....I agree

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:16 am

I'll do some more investigating into Dan's program and see what we come up with in regards to that. But, yes, penalties do need to start being enforced because they're there and they're there for a reason. I'm Excel-illiterate, so I have to rely on people like Tim to try and give me some sort of automation or easy filing system with these things, and it's put a burden on him that's sometimes hard to bear.

Parker's right. We'll all grown up enough to handle our own financial status in the league. Tim has to account for 30 teams which makes it difficult. You only have to account for one. In a lot of cases, it's as simple as having a 20-man roster. Having cheap options for call-ups is also important so we don't have to plug in AHLers making 1.5M any time an injury pops up.

The teams that are over are fully aware of their situations and I expect them to be handled. I'll be a bit more lenient about the penalties outlined in the Rulebook for the next week because of the holiday season bringing familial obligations and other things that are more worthy of your time, but once Christmas passes, I'm going to get back to doing my job the way it should be done. That includes salary cap penalty enforcement.

We'll overhaul the financial system over the summer to try and make things easier on everybody involved.

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:35 am

Perfect.

Montreal Canadiens · Post by **Montreal Canadiens** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:56 am

Tampa Bay GM wrote: Thanks for Brad and Quinn for asking, iirc you both spent some time over the cap before. Particularly Brad, I think its quite amusing you would ask how long I've been over. Your EHEC finances are infamous, and at this point, the idea of penalizing anyone is unrealistic. A precedent for not penalizing anyone for breaking the financial rules has been set. Many teams have been over for long periods of time. Why would Adam start now?

I was only asking, if you've been over the cap all season then I would have thought that would have been an issue, but over the cap for the past only week or so wouldn't have been as bad.

I spent time over the cap last season, and was penalized multiple times for it. So how would a penalty for you be unrealistic?

GM Office Q · Post by **GM Office Q** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:57 pm

The only time I've ever played a game over the cap is when 38OA Tom Preissing did his magical EHM-AHL-to-NHL-recall without my request after advancing a day. It happened a few times last season and I had to keep requesting his demotion IIRC.

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Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:58 pm

The game I was over, which I assume was when Tim updated the numbers, was against DET two games ago when I re-called Rankin. The next game vs. NYI I started my backup goaltender and sent down Rankin. According to the rule-book, I have satisfied the GM's need for me to be penalized. Like Adam suggested, I have multiple NHL/AHL swaps I can do that free up close to 2M in cap space. Being permanently over was never going to be an issue, which is why I was never concerned. Furthermore, I still don't see how we can decide to start strictly enforcing the rules for cap violations from the rule-book.

MTL was over FOREVER last season, there was almost 100 posts about his payroll in last years thread. He never had to forfeit a game, and wasn't removed from the league. Adam had to take over FLA finances, he never payed any penalties either. VAN has been over for awhile iirc, and so was STL who's chiming in now to. I don't think its fair to start strictly enforcing the cap rules mid-season, but if Adam wants to it's fine. My team's bottom six/d-pairing is flexible financially, and I'll start paying closer attention.

Parker, instead of giving people advice on setting a better example, why don't you start by stop calling everyone a faggot?

Quinn, your a G and I don't know why I mentioned you in the post. I <3 you and I'm sorry.

Calgary.Flames · Post by **Calgary.Flames** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:23 pm

Parker used the F....T word only two times according to my search. Though, he's the only one to have ever used it.
That's somehow surprising.

I should start using it more. There. Ricky DiPietro is a big faggot.

Singin the BLUES · Post by **Singin the BLUES** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:24 pm

I was over because of Sonne not being sent down when I asked if u look at the posts

Post by **SharksGM** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:25 pm

SharksGM wrote:I have a program for y'all to test:

http://ehechockey.com/files/filereader.zip

I updated it, it should work. I tested in on my laptop with Vista and it worked fine after I remembered to follow my own instructions. Use it if you want. I included files for LTIR/cap penalties as of about a month ago, so they're out of date.

Montreal Canadiens · Post by **Montreal Canadiens** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:37 pm

Tampa Bay GM wrote: MTL was over FOREVER last season, there was almost 100 posts about his payroll in last years thread. He never had to forfeit a game, and wasn't removed from the league. Adam had to take over FLA finances, he never payed any penalties either. VAN has been over for awhile iirc, and so was STL who's chiming in now to. I don't think its fair to start strictly enforcing the cap rules mid-season, but if Adam wants to it's fine. My team's bottom six/d-pairing is flexible financially, and I'll start paying closer attention.

I was only over the cap for 1 update during the season, and I obviously did not understand how the cap system was working, so had a different number than Tim or Adam, and therefore it took me a couple sims to get back under and I was penalized by having Carey Price sit the entire time until I got under the cap.

I agree with you on the FLA part, but he sadly had to give Frolik away for nothing, so that's kinda a penalty in it's own right.

Post by **SharksGM** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:03 pm

Montreal Canadiens wrote:I agree with you on the FLA part, but he sadly had to give Frolik away for nothing, so that's kinda a penalty in it's own right.

He certainly didn't have to give up Frolik, that was his choice.

CapsGM · Post by **CapsGM** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:29 pm

Updated. TB and VAN are now under after their moves in the last 24 hours.

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:37 pm

How does LTIR work with pro-rated salaries?

CapsGM · Post by **CapsGM** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:08 am

Tampa Bay GM wrote:How does LTIR work with pro-rated salaries?

You get the cap relief of the pro-rated salary you're paying him.

CapsGM · Post by **CapsGM** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:09 am

Updated. If you have questions, PM me and we'll take a closer look at your numbers.

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:27 am

From the first page:

ANA: $59407148 with 24 players
BOS: $53701090 with 23 players
BUF: $64617857 with 22 players
CAR: $56922500 with 24 players
CBJ: $61109102 with 23 players
CGY: $56860061 with 24 players
CHI: $63127381 with 22 players
COL: $61450723 with 23 players
DAL: $54754743 with 23 players
DET: $61027836 with 21 players
EDM: $56851442 with 19 players
FLA: $63648397 with 23 players
LA: $59349103 with 20 players
MIN: $54246442 with 21 players
MTL: $62642745 with 21 players
NAS: $62902500 with 21 players
NJ: $61155258 with 22 players
NYI: $58643749 with 23 players
NYR: $58674263 with 22 players
OTT: $51625000 with 22 players
PHI: $58472679 with 23 players
PHX: $61792423 with 21 players
PIT: $60130301 with 21 players
SJ: $59720625 with 21 players
STL: $59463519 with 21 players
TB: $60941939 with 21 players
TOR: $57860402 with 22 players
VAN: $59857101 with 22 players
WPG: $61037500 with 22 players
WSH: $60243011 with 23 players

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:28 am

^^ Needs to be taken care of.

Part of this is my fault because it's just entirely too difficult to keep up with. Pat, Tim, and I will be discussing changes to the financial policy for next season to hopefully be announced before we start doing contracts and extensions. The goal will be to simplify and streamline the process on all accounts. From trading to waivers to draftees to extensions.

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:28 pm

OHHHHH HOW LONG HAS MTL BEEN OVER!!!!111!!!

Parker · Post by **Parker** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:31 pm

I get LTIR cap relief on Brett Connolly, don't I?

Also, I have only 20 players on my active roster.

Montreal Canadiens · Post by **Montreal Canadiens** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:33 pm

Tampa Bay GM wrote:OHHHHH HOW LONG HAS MTL BEEN OVER!!!!111!!!

injuries bud

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:03 pm

Montreal Canadiens wrote:
Tampa Bay GM wrote:OHHHHH HOW LONG HAS MTL BEEN OVER!!!!111!!!

injuries bud

Gunnar makes 900k, and has suffered a DTD injury which means he doesn't qualify for an LTIR. Holland makes 400k, so your new cap number is 61.9. 700k over.

Maybe next time someone is over the cap, you should just keep your dumb mouth shut so you don't look like such an idiot.

Montreal Canadiens · Post by **Montreal Canadiens** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:18 pm

Tampa Bay GM wrote:
Montreal Canadiens wrote:
Tampa Bay GM wrote:OHHHHH HOW LONG HAS MTL BEEN OVER!!!!111!!!

injuries bud
Gunnar makes 900k, and has suffered a DTD injury which means he doesn't qualify for an LTIR. Holland makes 400k, so your new cap number is 61.9. 700k over.

Maybe next time someone is over the cap, you should just keep your dumb mouth shut so you don't look like such an idiot.

Ya I really said much when you were over the cap....not ya goof.

Which is Kamil Kreps salary.....

I guess the 6-1 beating you got wasn't enough to shut your trap.

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:28 pm

You don't have the room for Kreps. You were to close to the cap to begin with, and now a 2w> injury has you messed up.
If your going to be a cap team, you need to have cheaper players in the AHL with TW that can be swapped in if the short-term injury bug hits.

I'll see you in the playoffs.

Montreal Canadiens · Post by **Montreal Canadiens** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:30 pm

My number on my sheet was $315,000 under the cap, Holland on LTIR gives it $715,000, and Kreps only makes $650,000.

Don't worry, me and Tim will discuss this via PM and see where the discrepancy is. I was under the cap previous to the Cullen trade which waiving Gordon (who made the same salary ) should have left me under the cap.

You probably won't see me in the playoffs unless you're going to beat one of the teams ahead of me which I would put money on them winning. Even Boston!

Bruins_GM · Post by **Bruins_GM** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:47 pm

One big injury and I'll be below the cap floor.

CapsGM · Post by **CapsGM** » Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:30 am

I know some of you are butthurt about your cap numbers. This week is going to be hella busy for me though, so I hope to have some time tomorrow/Wednesday to look at your teams more closely.

CapsGM · Post by **CapsGM** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:26 pm

Updated. Miscalculated MTL.

Montreal Canadiens · Post by **Montreal Canadiens** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:48 am

Tampa Bay GM wrote:OHHHHH HOW LONG HAS MTL BEEN OVER!!!!111!!!

S my D, Mr. Cote.

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:37 am

Montreal Canadiens wrote:
Tampa Bay GM wrote:OHHHHH HOW LONG HAS MTL BEEN OVER!!!!111!!!

S my D, Mr. Cote.

Guess Tim didn't see Boll and his 1.65m on LTIR. My cap is around 63m. Not over by a lot.

And don't be so eager, you're gonna have to buy me dinner first at least....

Montreal Canadiens · Post by **Montreal Canadiens** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:40 am

I'll get you a couple of those dollar menu items, does that count?

Just wanted to point out I was under the cap all along.

CapsGM · Post by **CapsGM** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:59 am

Boll is included.

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:47 am

CapsGM wrote:Boll is included.

So with Boll on LTIR and a 1.65m salary, is my new salary cap not 63.15m?

CapsGM · Post by **CapsGM** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:48 am

Just in time for the trade deadline.

CapsGM wrote:ANA: $60332134 with 23 players
BOS: $55001090 with 25 players
BUF: $61417857 with 20 players
CAR: $58622500 with 24 players
CBJ: $61759102 with 23 players
CGY: $56404387 with 24 players
CHI: $61952381 with 21 players
COL: $59450723 with 23 players
DAL: $56922170 with 23 players
DET: $58626073 with 21 players
EDM: $59209391 with 21 players
FLA: $61248397 with 21 players
LA: $59742179 with 20 players
MIN: $53746442 with 22 players
MTL: $60916182 with 20 players
NAS: $60902500 with 20 players
NJ: $61328266 with 22 players
NYI: $58643749 with 23 players
NYR: $55724263 with 23 players
OTT: $50725000 with 22 players
PHI: $58472679 with 23 players
PHX: $61792423 with 21 players
PIT: $59020301 with 21 players
SJ: $61097188 with 21 players
STL: $61850699 with 22 players
TB: $58979435 with 21 players
TOR: $58147325 with 22 players
VAN: $61956460 with 23 players
WPG: $61037500 with 21 players
WSH: $59373011 with 23 players

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:18 pm

I don't have 23 players on my roster.

CapsGM · Post by **CapsGM** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:51 pm

Fixed.

Virtual Jarmo · Post by **Virtual Jarmo** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:47 pm

I'm over with Donskoi's LTIR?

Singin the BLUES · Post by **Singin the BLUES** » Tue May 20, 2014 3:24 pm

Montreal Canadiens wrote:My number on my sheet was $315,000 under the cap, Holland on LTIR gives it $715,000, and Kreps only makes $650,000.

Don't worry, me and Tim will discuss this via PM and see where the discrepancy is. I was under the cap previous to the Cullen trade which waiving Gordon (who made the same salary ) should have left me under the cap.

You probably won't see me in the playoffs unless you're going to beat one of the teams ahead of me which I would put money on them winning. Even Boston!

Damn near pissed myself laughing when i came across this.

Jets GM · Post by **Jets GM** » Tue May 20, 2014 4:30 pm

I know I shouldn't encourage this STL/MON thing, but that was really funny.

Singin the BLUES · Post by **Singin the BLUES** » Tue May 20, 2014 4:35 pm

It isnt even a MON/STL thing........i was just looking thru the cap thread and seen this then looked back at this years playoffs and then peed myself hahahahaha......not literally

Bruins_GM · Post by **Bruins_GM** » Tue May 20, 2014 9:25 pm

Maybe I should have spent more, I don't know. Then again, I'm not going to overpay cap-wise for shitty players either...