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Hey , I dont want to get into a big concern about the BOS/TB trade, but I like the realism of this league, and the fact that theres a futur consideration in the deal is sweet. What I dont like tho, is that it's based on an overall which in real life doesnt exist....

I think futur consideration should be about players performance or players retiring situation... etc.

My two cents

NashvilleGM wrote:Hey , I dont want to get into a big concern about the BOS/TB trade, but I like the realism of this league, and the fact that theres a futur consideration in the deal is sweet. What I dont like tho, is that it's based on an overall which in real life doesnt exist....

I think futur consideration should be about players performance or players retiring situation... etc.

My two cents

I was actually thinking along the same lines. All-star appearances, awards, goal and assist milestones might be better.

Kind of hard to make a future consideration stipulation about a guy like Hedman, though. What do you say? If he's +50 in takeaways for a season? If he wins a Norris? +/- is a team stat.

I don't really know what alternative there is in this case.

Commissioner (CBJ) wrote:Kind of hard to make a future consideration stipulation about a guy like Hedman, though. What do you say? If he's +50 in takeaways for a season? If he wins a Norris? +/- is a team stat.

I don't really know what alternative there is in this case.

Any why we would ignore a perfectly good way of keeping track of a players development? I'm all for realism, but that seems kinda dumb.

Commissioner (CBJ) wrote:Kind of hard to make a future consideration stipulation about a guy like Hedman, though. What do you say? If he's +50 in takeaways for a season? If he wins a Norris? +/- is a team stat.

I don't really know what alternative there is in this case.

if the team makes into playoffs, +/- rating, number of pts, games played,

Tampa Bay GM wrote:Any why we would ignore a perfectly good way of keeping track of a players development? I'm all for realism, but that seems kinda dumb.

I see where Sebastien's intent is. We pride this league on being the most realistic sim league and tracking a player's development through his attributes is not realistic. But sometimes, there are no alternatives. With a defensive-minded guy like Hedman, there aren't many options. It's not like we can set a point requirement, and like I said, +/- is a team stat. Tomas Kaberle's like -20 in EHEC, but he's a far better player than that.

I don't see an issue with the future considerations for his DF rating in this case. If he was an offensive guy, sure, you could set point plateaus or being an all-star or something. But, EHM is very unpredictable.

Commissioner (CBJ) wrote:I see where Sebastien's intent is. We pride this league on being the most realistic sim league and tracking a player's development through his attributes is not realistic. But sometimes, there are no alternatives. With a defensive-minded guy like Hedman, there aren't many options. It's not like we can set a point requirement, and like I said, +/- is a team stat. Tomas Kaberle's like -20 in EHEC, but he's a far better player than that.

I don't see an issue with the future considerations for his DF rating in this case. If he was an offensive guy, sure, you could set point plateaus or being an all-star or something. But, EHM is very unpredictable.

In baseball, players are given a scouting grade of 20-80 in a variety of categories and these grades are often averaged out over several organizations to get an aggregate number. There's no reason we can't assume/pretend a similar system is in place in EHEC... one could say the player's "attributes" are actually the entire league's scouting aggregate of their ability in those areas. I'm not a big advocate of future consideration trades in general, but wouldn't say that basing future considerations on a player's attribute development should automatically be seen as unrealistic either. Just my two cents.

I think TA-GA and avg rating (not overall, but the game ratings) are decent alternatives, but it's not really a big deal. Future considerations in the real NHL are often based on rather silly things anyways.

The bigger pressing concern is - why don't we all have a Zdeno Chara on our rosters?

Parker wrote:In baseball, players are given a scouting grade of 20-80 in a variety of categories and these grades are often averaged out over several organizations to get an aggregate number. There's no reason we can't assume/pretend a similar system is in place in EHEC... one could say the player's "attributes" are actually the entire league's scouting aggregate of their ability in those areas. I'm not a big advocate of future consideration trades in general, but wouldn't say that basing future considerations on a player's attribute development should automatically be seen as unrealistic either. Just my two cents.

Good point, Glen. That is exactly how they rate prospects, especially Baseball America.

At least we won't have the PTBNL trades, eh Glen?

Commissioner (CBJ) wrote:At least we won't have the PTBNL trades, eh Glen?

True, but in baseball you can't trade draft picks. Just wait until someone proposes a three-team trade...

At least this created some activity on the board

It's all good, just wanted to see what people thought of that

No big deal anyway... not the Chara deal but the futur consideration thing ;o

The bigger pressing concern is - why don't we all have a Zdeno Chara on our rosters?

Well, the previous team that had him has the worst PK in the league. What good is Chara if he can't kill penalties? He takes a lot of penalties too. He's a over hyped enforcer.

Bruins wrote:

The bigger pressing concern is - why don't we all have a Zdeno Chara on our rosters?

Well, the previous team that had him has the worst PK in the league. What good is Chara if he can't kill penalties? He takes a lot of penalties too. He's a over hyped enforcer.

All that for a bargain $7.5 million pop, I'd rather have depth.

Bruins wrote:

The bigger pressing concern is - why don't we all have a Zdeno Chara on our rosters?

Well, the previous team that had him has the worst PK in the league. What good is Chara if he can't kill penalties? He takes a lot of penalties too. He's a over hyped enforcer.

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