Eastside's Hockey Elite Collide

I'm sure once the 2nd starts, it'll improve.

TorontoGM wrote:I'm sure once the 2nd starts, it'll improve.

Teams who missed their first round pick are going to have a shorter time limit. It's bullshit. They knew when the draft was and I tried emailing and PMing them.

Commissioner (CBJ) wrote:

TorontoGM wrote:I'm sure once the 2nd starts, it'll improve.

Teams who missed their first round pick are going to have a shorter time limit. It's bullshit. They knew when the draft was and I tried emailing and PMing them.

I dont have a pick till the 3rd, and I've still been on here everyday just in case lol.

I'll be out of town all day, so not much will be done around here til Nick and Ryan get home from work. Sorry.

Also, if we get to 36, sorry for the wait. I'll have to see who's available and if the trade I have pending for it makes sense. I'll be back around 12-12:30 am EST.

Commissioner (CBJ) wrote:I'll be out of town all day, so not much will be done around here til Nick and Ryan get home from work. Sorry.

Also, if we get to 36, sorry for the wait. I'll have to see who's available and if the trade I have pending for it makes sense. I'll be back around 12-12:30 am EST.

you mean TONIGHT at midnight? i am fairly certain we won't be to #36 by then. now Thursday at midnight might be another story...

Colorado obviously not scared off by Merrill's poor interview skills and frat boy antics.

EHM my friend . Though, I hate frat boys.

I guess UFA period will have to be delayed.

CapsGM wrote:I guess UFA period will have to be delayed.

UFA was being delayed until after the draft anyway. We're not trying to balance both. You see how hard it is to make a pick every 12 hours.

Nice pickup on Svedberg by Anaheim. Some good value still on the board, and it's good to see the 2nd round is moving along quicker. We may even get to the third round by the weekend!

Also, I'm working on an EHEC draft facepack, if anyone's interested. Hate seeing that blank box on the profile window.

And DET, COL, et al, where'd you get those team images in your sigs?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/T ... nesota.png

just change the team name ...

AvsGM wrote:EHM my friend . Though, I hate frat boys.

+1

NashvilleGM wrote:http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/T ... nesota.png

just change the team name ...

Excellent. Thanks.


Back to 2nd round: if Ottawa takes all 12 hours again, he should forfeit the rest of his picks. To me.

Bub(NYR) wrote:

NashvilleGM wrote:http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/T ... nesota.png

just change the team name ...

Excellent. Thanks.


Back to 2nd round: if Ottawa takes all 12 hours again, he should forfeit the rest of his picks. To me.

lol my bad. Was away a few days and the draft got going. Oh well, now I'm back to take all your sleeper picks. Sucks for you guys.

SypherSens wrote:

Bub(NYR) wrote:

NashvilleGM wrote:http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/T ... nesota.png

just change the team name ...

Excellent. Thanks.


Back to 2nd round: if Ottawa takes all 12 hours again, he should forfeit the rest of his picks. To me.

lol my bad. Was away a few days and the draft got going. Oh well, now I'm back to take all your sleeper picks. Sucks for you guys.

Glad to have you back Vic.

Seriously good job on that round 2, its going way faster now

NashvilleGM wrote:Seriously good job on that round 2, its going way faster now

For sure. Very happy with round 2. It was just the ridiculous number of first round trades with the team on the clock.

Commissioner (CBJ) wrote:For sure. Very happy with round 2. It was just the ridiculous number of first round trades with the team on the clock.

Can't argue that, but teams want to make sure that their guy's still available to make sure its even worth the trade. I know it helped me out.

Tuo-SabresGM wrote:

Commissioner (CBJ) wrote:For sure. Very happy with round 2. It was just the ridiculous number of first round trades with the team on the clock.

Can't argue that, but teams want to make sure that their guy's still available to make sure its even worth the trade. I know it helped me out.

Never said I had an issue with it. I traded down myself.

Just, that's the way it works without instant communication.

I inputted all the trades. Contract offers will wait until we move ahead in the file to the 19th. I'm going to start putting the first three rounds in manually from players.ehm. We will NOT be uploading the file until the draft is finished. Once the draft is finished, we will change the date in league.ehm to 6/19/2010. Then I will enter all contracts.

Then we'll determine our sim schedule up to free agency.

If anyone wants the current pick I'll swap it for a depth NHL player. PM me an offer and I'll be back in an hour. If not, I'll make the pick in about an hour.

Vancouver's 4th round selection is available for a depth player. I obtained it in the Adam Foote deal.

Sorry guys. We've had power outages all day with the hot weather. I had to jump start my power supply with a paper clip again. Hopefully we'll be back on track.

so that gives players a day to sign a contract before the roll over? that's like... less than a 25% chance, on top of the already complicated fractions involved in player boosting.

I speak only out of my own self-interest here.

Jungle Cats wrote:so that gives players a day to sign a contract before the roll over? that's like... less than a 25% chance, on top of the already complicated fractions involved in player boosting.

I speak only out of my own self-interest here.

The problem is that we don't know what will happen if CSB is empty and we move forward to the Draft. All of the picks are still in the team info tab and the fear is that EHM will generate draftees and throw them in CSB. Well, there will be about 70 players in the CSB because they won't get drafted.

The rollover is the 20th?

Now that I think about it, I'm sure manually inputting the draft via players.ehm will likely affect, if not negate altogether, POT boost chances.

We may have to re-evaluate the plan and I will have to edit the draftees overall draft spot and whatnot after the doing the draft in EHM.

The roll-over is the 21st, but i've never seen a player sign a contract on the 21st prior to the roll-over... thus, if you're throwing contracts at players on the 19th, they either sign on the 20th (which, as I said, is like a 25% chance if you give them a larger bonus than they expect or overpay slightly), or they don't sign before the roll-over and you have to wait 'till next year to see them improve, which is a sad reality when drafting pot boosters, but at least if you have two days, you've got a 50% chance of them signing and a decent chance of them boosting.

I see the conundrum, as manually inputting the draft is easier than navigating through the csb list for every single team and every single pick, but I assume the reason you're taking that approach is to add the 6th and 7th rounds? I'm tempted to suggest that you could do the 6th and 7th round picks after the roll-over, if you're doing them manually anyway.

The only other solution I could think of is to move the calendar to a random spot (after the 21st, and then back? or backwards to mid-june and then to the 19th? would that warp space time?) and give the freshly drafted prospects two days to sign a contract.

Jungle Cats wrote:The roll-over is the 21st, but i've never seen a player sign a contract on the 21st prior to the roll-over... thus, if you're throwing contracts at players on the 19th, they either sign on the 20th (which, as I said, is like a 25% chance if you give them a larger bonus than they expect or overpay slightly), or they don't sign before the roll-over and you have to wait 'till next year to see them improve, which is a sad reality when drafting pot boosters, but at least if you have two days, you've got a 50% chance of them signing and a decent chance of them boosting.

I see the conundrum, as manually inputting the draft is easier than navigating through the csb list for every single team and every single pick, but I assume the reason you're taking that approach is to add the 6th and 7th rounds? I'm tempted to suggest that you could do the 6th and 7th round picks after the roll-over, if you're doing them manually anyway.

The only other solution I could think of is to move the calendar to a random spot (after the 21st, and then back? or backwards to mid-june and then to the 19th? would that warp space time?) and give the freshly drafted prospects two days to sign a contract.

There's two issues. The first of which is not getting screwed up with the draft order that EHM doesn't understand. First part being the lottery, second part being how it determines draft pick order by playoff finish (I don't want to trade back and forth 5 rounds of picks to get the right order). The second is the 6th and 7th rounds. I think I made all of the trades that involved draft picks.

I can probably move the file back to the 14th or 15th and then offer the contracts, but wouldn't that mess up the fact that you're supposed to offer it ASAP after they get drafted? I assume that's some sort of trigger.

Then again, if we don't do the draft via EHM, it might mess the POT boosting up anyway.

I'm going to have to find time to try and test this, or see if Nick/Ryan can. I've already entered Rounds 1-3 manually in players.ehm. I either have to go back and edit all of those back to pre-draft numbers or download the current file that is on the Downloads page and re-enter all of the trades and re-check for CON drops. Either option is a pain in the ass.

But, that being said, it limits the POT boost chances by only one day, right? Unless of course the in-EHM draft selection process is a prerequisite for triggering POT boosts. I realize one day makes a huge difference when deciding a contract, though.

i don't believe their to be any triggering, and i don't think the 'freshly drafted' ness has much to do with it, as guys who miss their first year can boost their second year (or boost again).
pot boosts can happen during the June 21st roll-over to any young players signed to a contract and on an nhl team with the requisite pot/con (with the odds approaching 100% at 99con), and my only concern as a guy who's drafted like a crazy person is losing that day of contract negotiations. I'm willing to deal with the consequences of one or more of my guys not boosting for a year, but if the reason for that is that they didn't get more than 24hrs to sign a contract, that's a super drag.

I think the idea of moving the date back after the draft and offering the contracts should work. Obviously, it's something that needs a little bit of testing. I'm not sure if it'd be enough to move the date back, offer the contracts and then move it to the 19th (potentially, that gives players a good stretch of time to have been considering the contract, although i believe the simulator doesn't take 'skipped dates' into account - ie, if contracts are signed by an active algorithm in the simulator that 'rolls' for every day you move forward to determine whether the contract is accepted), so I'd move the date back and sim a day or two (not sure if the interruption caused by moving to the 19th would be a help or a hindrance), then move the date back up.

should work, while still being quite fair.

i don't think we should give up too soon on the idea of warping the space-time continum; i have also found that reality can be altered by rubbing mercury on your feet

Jungle Cats wrote:i don't believe their to be any triggering, and i don't think the 'freshly drafted' ness has much to do with it, as guys who miss their first year can boost their second year (or boost again).
pot boosts can happen during the June 21st roll-over to any young players signed to a contract and on an nhl team with the requisite pot/con (with the odds approaching 100% at 99con), and my only concern as a guy who's drafted like a crazy person is losing that day of contract negotiations. I'm willing to deal with the consequences of one or more of my guys not boosting for a year, but if the reason for that is that they didn't get more than 24hrs to sign a contract, that's a super drag.

I think the idea of moving the date back after the draft and offering the contracts should work. Obviously, it's something that needs a little bit of testing. I'm not sure if it'd be enough to move the date back, offer the contracts and then move it to the 19th (potentially, that gives players a good stretch of time to have been considering the contract, although i believe the simulator doesn't take 'skipped dates' into account - ie, if contracts are signed by an active algorithm in the simulator that 'rolls' for every day you move forward to determine whether the contract is accepted), so I'd move the date back and sim a day or two (not sure if the interruption caused by moving to the 19th would be a help or a hindrance), then move the date back up.

should work, while still being quite fair.

I'm not going to give any more time than what EHM gives regularly. So that's the problem here. If the draft is the 18th and you offer contracts right away and move to the 19th, then two days is what we will do here. I don't know exactly how to work that with the rollover date.

What I need to find out is, if CSB is emptied completely, does EHM generate a draft class? My guess is yes it does. I don't know any way to skip the draft in EHM.

If I offer them on the 19th in EHM, move to the 20th, then back to the 19th, I wonder what that would do for the offer. Would it outsmart the game and think that the players was pondering the offer and extra day or not?

Femur wrote:i have also found that reality can be altered by rubbing mercury on your feet

How's your marriage doing?

EHM will make you draft, and you won't have enough players to finish the draft, i believe.

if you want no more time than is usually offered, after you move it back, timewarp to the 20th.

Plan of Action -
1) finish the draft
2) move date back to 15th, offer contracts (mimics 18th/draft day)
3) sim to 16th (mimics 19th)
4) sim to 17th (mimics 20th)
5) save and move the date forward to the 20th, bypassing the 'second draft'. this won't give us opportunists an extra day, as no contracts will be accepted on the 21st

bulletproof? mayhaps.

Commissioner (CBJ) wrote:

Femur wrote:i have also found that reality can be altered by rubbing mercury on your feet

How's your marriage doing?

there is not enough mercury in the world to polish that turd, pardon the mixed metaphor.

you can edit the Amount of time spent considering offer. Therefor, if you put it too 1 for each "prospect" signed for potboosting, he'll get a chance at the boost.

NashvilleGM wrote:you can edit the Amount of time spent considering offer. Therefor, if you put it too 1 for each "prospect" signed for potboosting, he'll get a chance at the boost.

Makes sense. That's what I was looking at when players who had pending offers were traded. I changed the offering team value to whoever has the player now.

I think that's the best way to do it.

Come on guys. This is bullshit. I took my time to make these players for the 5th-7th rounds. Even if some of them won't amount to much, at least give me the decency to send us a list or tell us you want to be auto picked. It is absolute bullshit to have to wait around all day for somebody's six hours to run out.

Not like there aren't decent depth guys left.

At least send us a list or tell us to auto pick you.

No kidding. There's still some gems out there - Panarin in the late fourth round? Win. And if you're sick of drafting, send in a list. It's not that hard.

You should be fired or forfeit the pick if you don't make your pick in time. No excuses.

TorontoGM wrote:You should be fired or forfeit the pick if you don't make your pick in time. No excuses.

That's extreme. Maybe auto-pick the worst listed player for the next pick if you've missed your selection.

But yeah, this is going ridiculously slow. The Committee's put a ton of effort into this, and they'll probably be happy with 10 percent of that effort from the rest of the GMs. Sure you may be busy, but they have lives too.

Great pick Washington and Sharks !

ditto NYR

NashvilleGM wrote:Great pick Washington and Sharks !

It would have been a choice between Zucker and Wind, but you just had to trade up and take Wind.

There's still good depth to be found if you want to look for it.

It was a good draft, props to the editors ! Bit strong but loved the depth of it.

It's nice to have at least some fringe players available in the later rounds. Hell, there are still a couple of guys I would trade for if I could (or ever envisioned having roster spots for). Getting potential trade bait in 5th/6th rounds is worth taking the few minutes to make up a list and send it in.

But yes, I suspect 2011 will not be quite the same quality of draft, or more top-heavy at least. At least the experts have been predicting so somewhat more loudly than they usually do.

Thx to the lists, the late round are roooooooooollin'

Come this time next year, I'll be drafting a kid by the name of Ryan Nugent-Hopkins first overall.

And I'm drafting a kid by the name of Stanley 30th overall.

Good call Parker, I'm surprised how far Nikontsev dropped. His name's got all of the skill of a Russian combined with the reliability of Japanese electronics.

Thanks man. Yeah, I was a little surprised myself that Nikon dropped as far as he did. I have to admit though; I was actually planning to take MacMillian Carruth with that pick just because he has such a cool name, but when Nikon turned out to still be available, I couldn't resist. His name is pretty cool, too.

I just finished reading your season in review and player grades. Nice work - I found it a very well-written and entertaining read.

Who has pot boosters and has simmed ahead to see how often they get them? So far 2/3 get them for me (Larsson/Hakaanpa) a decent amount of the time, i forgot that goalies can't get them. I thought I would of ranked Larsson as the better of the two, but Jani Hakanpaa could turn into a absolute monster. I really got give props to Burke on a sick draft class. There was a good balance of high pot/low con and low pot/high con players which allows for the randomness factor in boosts/drops to take affect in-game without touching the gamefile.

so post ur biggest pot booster brag w/ stats if you want, mine would b:

D Jani Hakanpaa 2/3 through 2013/14 season: 67 SHT/74 PM/70 SH/78 CHK/84 POS/79 HIT

all still growing green except shooting =)